MMA The Pace in this match is freaking awesome

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  1. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    Stopping reis' passes must be exhausting. he never ever stops. so hard to deal with someone like that because you never really get a chance to attack
     
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    Sick flurry after the gogo attempt at ~4:30 :bowdown:
     
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    Don't mean to derail the thread, but what's the point of the body triangle? You see it all the time on the ufc. What kinda advantage does it provide when compared to a normal ankles crossed closed guard?
     
  4. Gogoplata

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    much stronger control. you're using phsyics/leverage instead of strength.

    I wish I had long legs. I would use ONLY body triangles.
     
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    It might be better control, but aren't you super limited to the attacks you could go for? And if you do for an attack it'd be so slow, the opponent could see it coming from a mile away.
     
  6. Gogoplata

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    sure you are limited to attacks. this is why most people only use it when they have back control and are working chokes, armlocks or armbars. most people won't use it from bottom guard. ryan hall uses it in his bottom game a lot but he's got a lot of sweeps from it
     
  7. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    the reason he was doing it is to stop the sao paulo pass. thats the counter. reis couldnt do his pass when ryan would triangle like that
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    this is true. you have super limited hip mobility
     
  9. Gogoplata

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    and when wilson was fresh - ryan wasn't attacking, only defending.

    that tozi pass can be dangerous but those explosive guys with a good base like reis can make it work over and over.. guy is awesome.
     
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    yep, pretty much at the mercy of your opponent. you're either pinned to the mat or pulling up with him when he postures.
     
  11. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    yeah.. thats actually the only good counter ive seen. i used to train with rodrigo ranieiri who is getting pretty big on the competition scene now. he does the exact same pass and is built the exact same way as reis. he even uses it to even kill my whole overhook thing :sad2:

    i cant get the pass to work all the time personally.. I end up getting triangled sometimes lol.. I'm missing something
     
  12. Gogoplata

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    ditto. I get triangled or have my back taken about 50% of the time I try it. So I don't.

    Rodrigo is making a name for himself lately.
     
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    What sweeps are available from there with a body triangle?
     
  14. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    I love him. he came to the mosque with me once, and everytime I see him hes like

    ASSALAMUUU ALAAAYYYYKUMMMM!!!!

    hahaha. really cool dude. Brazilians are either pricks, or super cool
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    this is the only one ive seen, and the only time i've seen it. you probably have to be crazy long to pull it off.

    skip to 5:10
     
  16. Gogoplata

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    Hall uses it with a modified sit up (hip bump) sweep. He also opens up the body triangle for sweeps too - but has opponents locked down where he wouldn't have been able to land the sweep without the control.
     
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    50/fifty is supposed to be awesome.

    he doesn't murder his students.
     
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    Cool
    I wouldn't expect to be able to do it without a tired opponent, given that his far leg wasn't trapped
     
  19. Gogoplata

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    would have been easier to swap to the side he trapped
     
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    Man I watched this match a bunch of times.

    Reis >>>>>> *

    I remember rolling against him a while back in a naga tournament, the dude is SO strong its absurd.
     
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    I thought you were never supposed to cross your legs in back control because of ankle locks? Or does the body triangle move the ankles out of the way enough to avoid it?
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    it moves them out of the way.. but there is another way to injure someones legs when they body triangle you. it's more difficult to perform and easier to avoid though.
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    maybe because youre beginners? body triangling from the back is very common
     
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    body triangles from the back are indeed a bitch to get out of. I really think it is an attribute based thing. Some people's legs are simply not long enough to body triangle people who have thick waists.

    If you can barely lock it on some people, that pressure is potentially dangerous in that they might ankle lock you. If you got lanky legs like ryan hall, plus his flexibility... then its not an issue.
     
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    My go to move when I have someone's back is the body triangle. If their waist is too huge, it's impossible for me. But when I do get the body triangle, I just make sure my ankle/feet are behind the crook of his knee. I try to roll to the side. I can't hold it forever but long enough to get a choke. :dunno: I'm sure one day someone's going to know the counter and hip up. But for now, I'm okay
     

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