The Matrix Philosophy Discussion Thread

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  1. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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    I have a few questions to start it off:

    1) Who is the architect? Is he a human? Is he a program? If he's a program, how did he exist before he created the Matrix?

    2) What created the sentinels in the real world? Was the earth before the Matrix similar to the portrayal of earth IN the Matrix? Did humans create the machines, and they eventually turned on the humans?

    3) Aren't there any othe cities on earth with human inhabitants?

    4) Why would the Matrix create entities that could cause the downfall of itself? (ie Neo and the Oracle)

    5) Could someone explain the whole being reborn thing in the first movie?

    6) Why can't people "jack out" of the Matrix at any time, once they learn how?

    Discuss.
     
  2. Toy Turbo 2

    Toy Turbo 2 Sabrina, don't just stare at it. Eat it.

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    Toy Turbo 2 Sabrina, don't just stare at it. Eat it.

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    the rebirth is like jesus kind of realizing he is the son of god/has powers etc etc.
     
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    Yay! I was waiting for one of these. :big grin:

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  5. VBGOD

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    :cool:

    1) He is a program. Machines creating machines. Who was the first one born? Who knows.
    2) The machines created them. They are the physical entities of the machines.
    3) The machines own the planets surface. Besides, would the humans go to the surface if they could? I doubt it.
    4) It's an anomaly. He explains this in detail. Watch it again if you can.
    5) I don't feel like typing it out. Too long.
    6) Input/output carrier signal.
     
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    slipangle i like girls with firm tofu

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  7. fr0ng

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    Look in the Flavor of the Month....theres a couple 10+ page threads on this stuff already.
     
  8. brownrice

    brownrice 2 + 2 = 5

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    I was Reloaded last night and the only real problem I had was who the Architect was, where he came from, how he existed, and where he resides.
     
  9. RouletteDares

    RouletteDares OT Supporter

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    I can answer a few questions...

    4) Why would the Matrix create entities that could cause the downfall of itself? (ie Neo and the Oracle)

    The Architect explained this one.. Matrix v.1 was too perfect, and the humans felt completely enslaved because everything was too perfect, so the oracle, who was another program, introduced the whole choices concept, which made the humans feel more free, like they could escape the matrix. As far as Neo goes, he is just an anomaly (sp?). He is "The One" because there is always one perfect mathematical set up for a person giving them the powers of "The One" or whatever.

    6) Why can't people "jack out" of the Matrix at any time, once they learn how?

    I'm guessing its because they don't really physically control their bodies in the real world when they're in the matrix, so they need someone on the outside to do it for them :dunno:
     
  10. Rev Happy

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    1) The architect is a program, he was a machine before the matrix was created.

    2) The machines created the sentinals. You have it right, man made machine then the machine turned on man. In efforts to wipe out the entire machine race, their plan backfired and almost destroyed the whole human race.

    3) Dunno, but there is no more light on the surface of earth and the machines have taken over that. So we can only assume that Zion is the only place left.

    4) Neo of "the One" was created to reboot the Matrix when it got too full. The Oracle and so forth are rouge programs that I think want to see the existence of human and machine together.

    5)Reborn? Do you mean when Neo is introduced to the real worl the first time or when he is killed by agent smith and comes back to life?

    6)Dunno...
     
  11. VBGOD

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    Actually, it makes sense that the Matrix was created by a machine/IA. It's so complex, that only a machine would be able to comprehend it's complicity. Humans would be able to make add-on's though. :cool: The actual CORE of the Matrix is probably built in binary code. No programming language, just pure machine code.
     
  12. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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    What created the machines that created the machines? :big grin:
     
  13. Rev Happy

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    Humans :o
     
  14. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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  15. fr0ng

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    If nobody looks there how is there 11 pages in one of the threads already?
     
  16. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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    OK, how could the humans neglect the machines they created so much that they became powerful enough to destroy all human life?

    And why weren't the humans programming the machines smart enough to put in fail safes and things like that in their programming?
     
  17. fr0ng

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    1. Watch Animatrix. All will be explained

    2. STFU THERE ARE ALREADY OTHER THREADS

    3. Stop being an attention whore.

    4. STFU
     
  18. VBGOD

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    OK.

    Humans created the machines. That's a given. Humans eventually gave birth to AI (Artificial Intelligent). The machines grew impatient with the humans. After a set amount of time, the machines rose up against the humans, and eventually won. The animated DVD series explain it well.
     
  19. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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    According to certain scenes, it seems like it's ALL made up in binary.

    It was my impression that Neo learned how to see the Matrix world in complete binary, like the scene where he's removing the bullet from Trinity.
     
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  22. Der SchattenJager

    Der SchattenJager Kupo, asshat.

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    I was unaware of this animated DVD's existence...sorry.
     
  23. VBGOD

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    Definitely. Neo has a closer bond with the Matrix and machines.
     
  24. RouletteDares

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    It comes out June 3rd... but you can obtain it online.
     
  25. fr0ng

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    June 9th I thought.
     

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