GUN The Hague Convention and hollow points

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  1. Jago

    Jago It helps if you hit it.

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    I've got conflicting info on this. I've heard that the military uses no HP ammo period and I've also heard that they use some HP ammo because we never signed anything at this convention saying we wouldn't. Which is true?
     
  2. soccaian

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    we can't use HP rounds because they "cause undue bodily harm"
     
  3. blkgs4

    blkgs4 New Member

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    I've shipped boxes of HPs in 9mm for my buddies in the Corp. They aren't allowed to use it, but most COs dont give a damn.
     
  4. ryanbum

    ryanbum Its the one that says Bad Mother Fucker on it

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    well the treaty (not signed by the US but we comply anyways) says that "regular" forces must use FMJ but that doesn't apply to "special" forces. That's why Navy seals, etc use whatever ammo they want
     
  5. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

    A96HondaAccordCoupeEX Silver Member

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    how so?
     
  6. SS109

    SS109 3100 FPS OT Supporter

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    Pretty hilarious huh? Nuclear weapons & high explosive are legal but hollow points and lead bullets aren't.
    The US used to be a lot more srtict about this. They even debated over issuing lead birdshot in survival shotguns.
     
  7. Thunderbear

    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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    I loaded JHPs in the M9 while I was in Iraq :dunno:

    2 mags JHPs, 2 mags FMJ, 6 mags .223
     
  8. i300zxtt

    i300zxtt New Member

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    Doesn't make any sense to forbid HP ammo. They don't forbid a .45 cal vs a 9mm, or a .223 vs .50bmg....
     
  9. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

    A96HondaAccordCoupeEX Silver Member

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    you're not allowed to shoot people with the .50bmg
     
  10. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Absolutely false.
     
  11. A96HondaAccordCoupeEX

    A96HondaAccordCoupeEX Silver Member

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    I always read that it was, but I stand corrected after some researching :hsd:
     
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    i300zxtt New Member

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    So how much more "humane" is it to shoot someone with a 9mm hp, than to shoot them with a .50 cal?
     
  13. ryanbum

    ryanbum Its the one that says Bad Mother Fucker on it

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    Well FMJ's are better for regular army troops because of the good ole principal that it takes 2 battle ready men to carry 1 wounded man. FMJ do a better job of wounding than HP. Do yall understand this principal? I learned it in a Military Science class.
     
  14. AVengeance

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    Too bad our current enemy doesn't care about their wounded. They'd fucking eat them sooner than drag them out of danger. Let's go back to HP. On second thought, why don't we just start using those sonic weapons?
     
  15. user32

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    Hollow points work best on soft, un-armored targets. I would never want to carry hollow points into combat. If I am going to shoot something I want penetration, not expansion. Penetration will work best against targets that are armored or that are hiding behind cover.
     
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    current generation hollow points are going to go through all soft armor except IIIA. IIIA will stop MOST handgun rounds. however, our enemies over there aren't using armor most of the time. in that case, HP's will penetrate hard targets just as well as FJM's, only, the HP's will actually do something to the guy behind the hardness.
     
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    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    I found a very nice explanation of the current standing of the whole "HP ammo and the Hague Convention".

    It is from ammo-oracle.com:

     
  18. C5Load

    C5Load OT Resident UCLA fanatic

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    we use hollowpoint ammunition as aircrew members with the M9. Ball ammunition would punch through the aircraft skin.
     
  19. eWRXshun

    eWRXshun hai

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    i'm not doubting you do use the HP's, but my curiosity asks why you would be shooting inside the aircraft?
     
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    they get bored on long flights. they set up the empty beer cans on one end of the cargo bay, and shoot from the other.
     
  21. Platinum_Thunder

    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    probably saves a fuck ton not using JHP
     
  22. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    After penetrating just about anything harder than paper, the cavity on the HP gets plugged up and it becomes, for all intents and purposes, a ball slug.
     
  23. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Unless you're using fragmenting ammo like Glaser or Magsafe, a JHP will put nice round holes in the skin also. i imagine a better reason would be that you'd really only be using them for self defense of yourself/aircraft, so you're probably considered exempt from the FMJ "rule".
     
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    C5Load OT Resident UCLA fanatic

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    if the shit really hits the fan, we'll be setting the transponders to 7700, asking to be shot down.
     
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    C5Load OT Resident UCLA fanatic

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