GUN The cali guy with 1,000,000 rounds cops a plea

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    Plea deal reached in Norco ammunition case

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    By PAIGE AUSTIN
    The Press-Enterprise

    A Norco man accused of stockpiling guns including illegal weapons and ammunition in his home may not end up doing prison time following a plea deal this week.

    Thomas Lee McKiernan, who was arrested earlier this month when his house caught fire and exposed his arsenal to authorities, remains in jail awaiting a sentence that could range from probation and psychological counseling to five years in prison.

    On Tuesday, he pleaded guilty to reduced counts of possessing an illegal assault rifle and explosives and scuffling with firefighters who tried to keep him from re-entering his burning home.

    In addition to escaping prison time, his wife, Sharon, might also be allowed to sell the legal elements of the gun collection to help pay for their uninsured home, said Deputy District Attorney Michael Mayman. A convicted felon, McKiernan won't be allowed to collect guns anymore. As part of the plea agreement, Mayman dropped two additional charges for possessing illegal assault rifles.

    The probation department will make sentencing recommendations, and Riverside Superior Court Judge Janice M. McIntyre will have final say in the matter, said Mayman.

    The prosecutor said the reduced charges are appropriate given the circumstances of the case.

    "He isn't a bad guy," said Mayman. "This guy has no criminal history, and nobody was hurt."

    Most of McKiernan's guns were collected over decades, and they include collector's pieces such as pre-World War II guns. His illegal assault rifles were bought before they were outlawed in 2000, indicating that McKiernan was at least trying to be a law-abiding collector, Mayman said.

    The problem, said Mayman, is that McKiernan's stockpile of gunpowder was a threat to the community. He had more than 185 pounds of gunpowder -- dozens of times the legal limit. One container of gunpowder exploded during the fire, he said.

    "The potential was there for a very large explosion that could have flattened surrounding homes," Mayman said. "This isn't so much a firearms case as it was an illegal storage case."

    The case triggered strong emotions in the community and among gun collectors. Some diehard gun collectors actually contacted the prosecutor to protest the case.

    Many in McKiernan's neighborhood came out in support of their neighbor when his arsenal made headlines. A retired machinist, McKiernan raised his children in the Pali Drive home he owned for more than 32 years.

    According to authorities, McKiernan was asleep on his couch March 2, when his water heater triggered the fire. A neighbor rescued him, but McKiernan struggled with firefighters who put out the blaze amid exploding rounds of ammunition. Neighbors had to be evacuated, and after it was over, authorities found the arsenal and a 30-foot long tunnel beneath the house.
     
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    Wow, that's crazy. I love how they painted him to be a bad guy.

    Lets see how the media fucked it up royally.
    1. He is a threat to society because he collects guns and probably rarely shoots most of them, check.
    2. He is a threat to society because he has an "illegal machine gun" even though it was a pre-ban gun which makes it perfectly legal, check.
    3. He is a threat to society because he has stock piles of ammunition, check.

    So, what did he actually do wrong? He had to much black gunpowder which is a storage issue. Beyond that, scuffling with firefighters, come on?! If my treasures were burning to the ground I'd probably be all paranoid too. :(

    That really sucks that he didn't have homeowners insurance.
     
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    Looks like the powder and "assault rifles" are the only issue I guess he never reg'd them.
     
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    Hmm. Maybe California has different laws than MN. Here, it only has to be registered when it is purchases. Once the original buyer sells the gun it never has to be registered ever again. :noes:

    I mean, you COULD register it, but you don't legally have to.
     
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    I really doubt anyone would have blinked an eye if this happened in GA, heck a FF friend of mine responded to a fire at a mobile home (single wide) with several thousand rounds of ammo. They just let it burn.
     
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    when cali passed their AWB, everyone was suppose to reg them no matter when they were purchased. Alot of people didn't.
     
  7. GAMBOA

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    He was some what asking for it. Having such a large collection and risking it with one or two pieces, is kind of dumb. I don't have such a large collection as him. My collection equals 16 firearms including rifles and handguns. At one time I had unregistered firearms. I got rid of them for that same reason. If something was to ever happen where law enforcement went over my entire collection, I would hate it to be in trouble or lose it all for one or two pieces.
     
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    "amid exploding ammunition"

    sorry, but ammuntion is not a threat unless it is contained in something, i.e a barrel
     
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    I think you mean chamber :mamoru:

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    Sucks to be them. :o
     
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    And, he was a fucking idiot for not having homeowners insurance. :wtc:
     
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    I'm surpised that's not required by law in California too, :mamoru:.
     
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    Most mortgage companies require it.
     
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    he owned it for 35 years, so he probably had it paid off.
     
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    Maybe. I wonder how many times he refinanced. :noes:
     
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    Wait, was he a convicted felon before or after this? :hsugh:
     
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    fucking commiefornia. that whole state should just sink off into the ocean. no one would miss it.
     
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    He can't be a convicted felon after... they just charged him!
     
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    they said he would be a convicted felon after his plea bargain and will never be able to own a firearm again afterwards.
     
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    Gotcha. Ghey.
     
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    Never told the reason the dude had close to a million rounds?
     
  24. vettefan52

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    he didnt have a million rounds, thats bullshit. i dont think those stupid fucks realize how much space 1 million rounds would take up.
     
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    Ive got family that live out there but Id give them up for the entire state to just fall into the ocean or gay itself into extinction
     

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