The beginning of provider censorship?

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  1. DatacomGuy

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    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_9548788

    There was a discussion on this in the main forum, thought it might be worth touching on in here.

    In short, three internet ISP's have agreed to start blocking and tracking child porn sites and users. I think this is a good thing in the fight against disgusting human beings.. but as a side note, what is next, as far as censorship? Today its child porn, but tomorrow could it be torrents? Movies? Music? Forums?
     
  2. deusexaethera

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    Not likely. The first amendment is intentionally vague in regards to what qualifies as "speech".
     
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    So that being said, you don't think we'll see more censorship?
     
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    Isn't Comcast already blocking bittorrent? Other ISP's will be right behind
     
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    I understand the child porn thing but don't see much more cencorship than that. Child porn is 100% illegal where as torrents have legitimat uses (though it is the minority and personally, I don't like nor use torrents so it wouldn't matter to me). I just don't see cencorship on things that are not 100% illegal.
     
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    I believe I did read that as well..
     
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    i see that as no different from the other, more traditional methods of combating illegal activities. The only reason it seems strange is because the internet is just now starting to become regulated
     
  8. Peyomp

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    Regulating the internet IS censorship. The problem is not the principle of limiting child porn - everyone wants that limited. The problem is that a central agency will now be filtering what sites you can and can't view - and they will fuck some up, and you will be blocked from some legitimate sites.
     
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    That's where I was going with this..
     
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    exactly. I don't disagree with stoping child porn... but I do disagree with someone else defining what will and will not be blocked.
     
  11. deusexaethera

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    Not really. If Site X gets blocked and you can make a reasonable argument why it's not a child porn site and it gets unblocked again, then it's not censorship. Censorship is the knowing and willing restriction of information. If the regulating authority is misinformed, all they have to do is be willing to correct their mistake.
     
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    That encourages a policy of "block first, ask questions later". And then you get to questions regarding fault.... What about Offtopic? Do you block it because it could have CP? Or better yet, what if someone DOES post CP... Does OT get blocked then? There's lots of factors and who decides what goes and what stays? What about sites run in different countries?

    No matter how you slice it, censorship is BAD news.
     
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    The problem with blocking child porn is like this.

    When we get together in this subforum and talk about it we know pretty much what is involved. We understand P2P and the different ways in which to run it, we understand WHY P2P isn't inherently good or bad.

    The problem isn't us.

    The problem is everyone else.

    When you say, 'We are going to make it the ISP's responsibility to block child porn, cause no one wants child porn'. It is easy for us to rally around it.
    But what is going to happen is that they are going to put this out there for the public in such a way that P2P will EQUAL Childporn.

    People that know nothing about the net (and make no mistake in votes they outnumber us) will get the message that when ISP's block P2P they are blocking child porn.
     
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    this isn't about P2P. ISPs already throttle/shape P2P and there's already ways around that...

    This thread is discussing basically "websense" on a massive scale...
     
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    Comcast: "We’re Delaying, Not Blocking, BitTorrent Traffic"

    Something I read in torrentfreak,....

     
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    Interesting.
     
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    re: child porn
    I wonder how 4chan will react to this :mamoru:
     
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    anon will wage war like there has never been before.
     
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    When you block kid porn, you are censoring kid porn. By definition. So we are talking censorship. And I'm saying that censorship is not the way to combat this problem, because they will fuck it up.
     
  20. deusexaethera

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    What is the way to combat the problem, then? As previously noted, we can't just send our cops to other countries to arrest child pornographers, and we can negotiate all we want with foreign governments but that doesn't help if they don't care.

    Eventually the only way to stop things from getting in is to build a wall.
     
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    We should have a government agency that just hacks into child pron servers and takes them down. I'd be okay with that, electronic assasinations.
     
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    I think that's a lesson that we didn't learn with Iraq, and we need to learn now.

    Let the other countries deal with their own problems. We need to focus more efforts inwards on our own problems.

    In the end, it doesn't matter if other countries have child porn, and in the end it's good policy NOT to block content on the internet.
     
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    I read an article in eWeek about a company that has done that. I'd post the article but people would have a cow :squint:
     
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    I don't think people really care and I think you know that... we're just giving you shit about it.

    Post it....
     
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    i'll have to find it.
     

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