Test Data Comparo - LS3 Camaro SS vs 5.0 Mustang GT

Discussion in 'OT Driven' started by TriShield, Apr 19, 2010.

?

?

  1. The Camaro has the edge.

    21.4%
  2. The Mustang has the edge.

    51.8%
  3. The cars are evenly matched/driver's race.

    26.8%
  1. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    This thread contains all the test data the major review outlets have on the Camaro and repowered Mustang. With all of it in one place it gives everyone a better picture of how the performance of these cars compares to each other.
     
  2. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Car and Driver Results

    Camaro - March 2009

    [​IMG]

    PRICE AS TESTED: $32,195 (base price: $30,995)

    TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 161 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g

    [​IMG]

    Camaro - July 2009

    [​IMG]

    PRICE AS TESTED: $34,225 (base price: $30,995)

    TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 162 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g

    [​IMG]

    Mustang - March 2010

    [​IMG]

    PRICE AS TESTED: $32,980 (base price: $30,495)

    TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

    C/D TEST RESULTS:
    Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 109 mph
    Braking, 70–0 mph: 153 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g

    [​IMG]
     
  3. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Edmunds Results

    Camaro - March 2009

    [​IMG]

    Price as-tested - $35,380

    Track Test Results
    0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
    0-60 mph (sec.) 5
    0-75 mph (sec.) 6.7
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @ 110.9
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
    60-0 mph (ft.) 109
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 68.6
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.88

    [​IMG]

    Camaro - August 2009

    [​IMG]

    Price as-tested - As-tested MSRP $36,825

    Track Test Results
    0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
    0-60 mph (sec.) 5.0
    0-75 mph (sec.) 6.8
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 109.4
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
    60-0 mph (ft.) 111
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.8
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.86g

    [​IMG]

    Mustang - April 2010

    [​IMG]

    Price as-tested - $40,035

    Track Test Results
    0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
    0-60 mph (sec.) 4.8
    0-75 mph (sec.) 7.0
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @110.6
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.5
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
    60-0 mph (ft.) 109
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 67.3
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.91g

    [​IMG]
     
  4. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Motor Trend Results

    Camaro - March 2009

    [​IMG]

    Price as tested - $35,380
    Curb weight - 3859 lb

    Acceleration
    0-60mph - 4.7
    0-70mph - 5.8
    0-80mph - 7.3
    0-90mph - 8.8
    0-100mph - 10.5
    45-65mph - 2.1
    1/4 - 13.0 @ 111mph

    Braking
    60-0mph - 105 ft

    Handling
    Max lateral g - 0.90g
    Figure eight - 25.8 @ 0.80g average

    [​IMG]

    Mustang - March 2010

    [​IMG]

    Price as tested - $39,750
    Curb weight - 3620 lb

    Acceleration
    0-60mph - 4.3
    0-70mph - 5.5
    0-80mph - 6.9
    0-90mph - 8.5
    0-100mph - 10.3
    45-65mph - 2.1
    1/4 - 12.8 @ 110.8mph

    Braking
    60-0mph - 105 ft

    Handling
    Max lateral g - 0.94g
    Figure eight - 25.3 @ 0.75g average

    [​IMG]

    Camaro and Mustang - July 2010

    [​IMG]

    Camaro

    Price as tested - $36,465
    Curb weight - 3859 lb

    Acceleration
    0-60mph - 4.7
    0-70mph - 5.8
    0-80mph - 7.4
    0-90mph - 8.9
    0-100mph - 10.7
    45-65mph - 2.1
    1/4 - 13.1 @ 110.8mph

    Braking
    60-0mph - 108 ft

    Handling
    Max lateral g - 0.92g
    Figure eight - 25.2 @ 0.73g average

    Mustang

    Price as tested - $39,755
    Curb weight - 3612 lb

    Acceleration
    0-60mph - 4.4
    0-70mph - 5.6
    0-80mph - 6.8
    0-90mph - 8.4
    0-100mph - 10.2
    45-65mph - 2.1
    1/4 - 12.7 @ 111.3mph

    Braking
    60-0mph - 104 ft

    Handling
    Max lateral g - 0.97g
    Figure eight - 24.7 @ 0.77g average

    [​IMG]
     
  5. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Road and Track

    Camaro - April 2009

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Road and Track has not yet tested the 5.0 Mustang GT.
     
  6. matrix243

    matrix243 My body, is ready.

    Joined:
    May 15, 2001
    Messages:
    18,857
    Likes Received:
    37
    Location:
    Calgary
    unless the drivetrains are drastically different, the lbs/hp should tell the story.

    the 12.7 tells me its all driver.
     
  7. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    MT themselves ran [email protected] in a Camaro SS.

    [y]_C9zanLcpXY[/y]

    And made a nice video of it to boot.
     
  8. coronet

    coronet Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep?

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    32,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Hills, Los Angeles, California
    I would like to know more about both. Initial quality, six-month field report, interior quality, etc. One friend is convinced the Camaro is the winner with light modding, another friend claims those mods will be useless because the Mustang will take corners better indefinitely. Extremely interested in picking one of these two up secondhand a few years down the road (God bless America for horrid depreciation).
     
  9. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Edmunds owns a Camaro SS right now in their fleet. They will probably buy a 5.0 sometime in the future.

    Based on all the data so far they look pretty evenly matched to me so you could buy whichever one you prefer and have a great car.
     
  10. coronet

    coronet Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep?

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    32,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Hills, Los Angeles, California
    Also, I'm wary of previous generation's interior quality and design, and much of the same exists in these cars. I realize American automotive manufactures have really improved these faults, but I still experience oddities you'd think would be mended: wheel gap, "happy meal toy" plastics, lack of a center armrest (or having one that's too low down to even use, or even worse one that's not padded), cup holders in the way of the shifter, the same radio interface used since the early the 1990's... I mean come the fuck on! I'm in no way bias to one country, but it's so hard come to the rush of the American market when everything improves, but it still feels like I'm sitting inside of a car from the 1980's. Also NUMMI was a big blow for me.

    Also if performance will depreciate quickly: I can outrun a friend's 2004 V6 Mustang with my automatic Honda Civic with it's 140 stock horses... and that's just fucking sad. Granted, 414 and 426 horses is a lot... is that what I'm getting when I bring it to the dyno? What about in 60,000KM?

    These are the things I worry about. Folks, if the hybrid hype is true, these are the last muscle cars to buy EVER. This is it. The last time for huge engines and tyre spins. I really want to get in on one of these.
     
  11. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    112,076
    Likes Received:
    81
    the mustangs faster, ever so slightly
     
  12. topcat

    topcat OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    1,467
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    this appears to be correct....at least for the 2010 camaro vs 2011 gt :big grin::big grin:
     
  13. T0nyGTSt

    T0nyGTSt New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2004
    Messages:
    973
    Likes Received:
    0
    nah

    camaro is the one if you want the power and ultimate modding platform
     
  14. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    112,076
    Likes Received:
    81
    trishield, heres an interesting fact i read

    the Coyote V8 weights 190kg, the existing 5.4L Boss in the falcons weigh 320kg

    they are cutting 130kg (290lbs) from the cars weight simply by replacing the engine with a more powerful unit.
     
  15. CJPA

    CJPA New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    114,304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    AZ, USA
    Driver's race. Camaro for sure if you're talking aftermarket, since a variety of shit already exists for the LS3.

    Which one would I buy if they were both available tomorrow: Mustang.
     
  16. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    The 5.4L is a known turd so I'm not too surprised by this. The 5.0 should make the Falcon an even better car.
     
  17. coronet

    coronet Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep?

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    32,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Hills, Los Angeles, California
    Yeah, but the engine before that, the old 5.0, was also shitty

    :consipiracytheory:
     
  18. Smelly-Kitten

    Smelly-Kitten Dept. of Redundancy Department *Side Pipes

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Messages:
    5,709
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UCSD
    Easy to gain horses, hard to shed lbs
     
  19. matrix243

    matrix243 My body, is ready.

    Joined:
    May 15, 2001
    Messages:
    18,857
    Likes Received:
    37
    Location:
    Calgary
    any word on the 2011 camaro getting 500hp to take the lead?
     
  20. MeanGreen

    MeanGreen New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    5,853
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Annapolis, MD
    why is the mustang in the 40k territory?
     
  21. CJPA

    CJPA New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    114,304
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    AZ, USA
    a 2004 V6 Mustang is rated at 190hp or some shit, and probably weighed close to double your civic, so the result is not surprising.

    at any rate, you are probably the majority on OT, that is, people who have been burned at a young age by shitty domestic quality in the 80s/90s and will likely never go back despite actual quality meeting or exceeding current competitor offerings.
     
  22. Mitchj

    Mitchj OT Supporter

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Messages:
    112,076
    Likes Received:
    81
    Im the opposite, i was burned by the mere awful ownership experience of cramped uncomfortable extremely slow imports that i hated every minute of ownership despite their reliability
     
  23. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    Z/28 is next. LSX will be getting updated again with direct-injection and some other things sometime soon.
     
  24. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY
    In case someone missed it Edmunds retested both cars and here are the results.

    Specs & Performance

    [​IMG]

    2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS

    As-tested MSRP $35,425

    Specs

    Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 426 @ 5,900
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 420 @ 4,600
    Transmission type 6-speed manual
    Final-drive ratio (x:1) 3.45
    Tire size, front 245/45ZR20 103Y
    Tire size, rear 275/40ZR20 106Y
    Brakes, front 14.0-inch ventilated disc with 4-piston fixed calipers
    Brakes, rear 14.4-inch ventilated disc with 4-piston fixed calipers

    Dimensions

    Curb weight, as tested (lbs.) 3,864
    Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%) 51.7/48.3
    Length (in.) 190.4
    Width (in.) 75.5
    Height (in.) 54.2
    Wheelbase (in.) 112.3

    Performance

    0-30 mph (sec.) 2.3
    0-45 mph (sec.) 3.5
    0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
    0-75 mph (sec.) 7.0
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.1 @ 110.4
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.8
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
    60-0 mph (ft.) 111
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 68.2
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.89
    Turning circle (ft.) 37.7
    Edmunds observed (mpg) 17.0

    Acceleration Comments - Tall gearing relative to the Mustang is frustrating even at the track. There's more than enough power here to overcome the available grip and saving a shift certainly saves time, but there's something distinctly unsatisfying about the Camaro's acceleration with this massively tall final-drive ratio and wide gear spacing. Drivetrain lash is evident in this car (odometer = 14.5k miles). Clutch stink present in this test, something we've never experienced before in testing the Camaro SS.

    Braking Comments - Very good pedal feel and response. Respectably short stopping distance and no sign of fade.

    Handling Comments - Camaro makes respectable handling numbers and is well mannered and quite well behaved on less-than-smooth roads, but it lacks the engagement of the more responsive Mustang. The 20-inch wheels and tires are noticeably heavy. Chassis heavily burdens its front tires.

    [​IMG]

    2011 Ford Mustang GT Premium 2dr Coupe

    As-tested MSRP $37,600

    Specs

    Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 412 @ 6,500
    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 390 @ 4,250
    Transmission type 6-speed manual
    Final-drive ratio (x:1) 3.73
    Tire size, front P245/45 ZR19 98W M+S
    Tire size, rear P245/45 ZR19 98W M+S
    Brakes, front 13.2-inch ventilated disc with 2-piston sliding calipers
    Brakes, rear 11.8-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding calipers

    Dimensions

    Curb weight, as tested (lbs.) 3,660
    Weight distribution, as tested, f/r (%) 54.1/45.9
    Length (in.) 188.1
    Width (in.) 73.9
    Height (in.) 55.8
    Wheelbase (in.) 107.1

    Performance

    0-30 mph (sec.) 2.1
    0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
    0-60 mph (sec.) 5.1
    0-75 mph (sec.) 7.3
    1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.3 @ 107.3
    0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.8
    Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 30
    60-0 mph (ft.) 117
    Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 65.9
    Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.87
    Turning circle (ft.) 33.4
    Edmunds observed (mpg) 14.9

    Acceleration Comments - Difficult to hook up leaving the line. Wants to bog or boil, so best launch with minimal wheelspin from about 2,500 rpm. Big rubber on 2-3 and 3-4 upshift. Impressive feeling of power and great engine sound. Tachometer doesn't keep up with engine, so early shifting is required in lower gears.

    Braking Comments - Not such a great performance considering what we know this platform is capable of producing. Stickier tires and Brembo brakes make things better. And 117 feet isn't great. Pedal too soft.

    Handling Comments - Stability control issue kept us from recording data. Overall grip down considerably relative to Mustang with summer tires. Same great balance, however. Instant turn-in can be a challenge in the slalom, but after time, one can adjust. Overall, still very good for a live-axle car.

    [​IMG]
     
  25. TriShield

    TriShield Super Moderator® Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2001
    Messages:
    132,732
    Likes Received:
    1,596
    Location:
    PRESIDENTIAL TOWER, GREAT AGAIN, NY

Share This Page