A&P Team - Any christians here that photograph church activities v. usage rights

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  1. Tonster MBA

    Tonster MBA OT'r of the Year 2013 OT Supporter

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    Well I maybe talking to a small crowd here, but I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue before. I belong/participate in a group called "Young Life" it is like a non-denominational group. It can be easily described as if it were a christian fraternity. Anyways I almost always bring my camera to events - House building, missions trips to Mexico, weekend retreats, so on. I usually public display my pictures on facebook and what not because I could really careless. Well about a month ago I came into YL and a 3 foot by 7 foot banner was hanging up using all pictures that I took. And it said Young Life on it with my pictures in the back ground. I was aware that they asked if they could use some of my pictures for a "young life promotion" , they said, and of course I agreed. I brought up this issue about them using my pictures, where 1000's of people see them, and how they didn't even cite where the pictures came from. Being a christian and in a christian group I got the typical, "its not about you, its about him [Jesus]." So I was wondering If I am out of line to make them at least say "photos by....." next time or what? Any advice???



    Cliffs: My pix were used for an advirstiment banner, I asked them to cite the photos, was told No.
     
  2. aCab

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    Younglife isn't quite like church man, it's a separate organization. But anyways, they are non for profit. Not sure what to do here. Maybe ask then for some recognition somewhere in the future?

    I always thought you were in College.
     
  3. Tonster MBA

    Tonster MBA OT'r of the Year 2013 OT Supporter

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    I am; its college Young life, most of the people in college YL are the leaders of High School YL. We do different stuff then High School as well.
     
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    Tell them that Jesus Christ doesn't like people who steal.
     
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    That might be a little harsh, but is very funny :rofl:

    I see no reason they couldn't put your name somewhere with the pictures. Your not asking for money. Technically you could probably get tax credit for your donation :wiggle:
     
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    Tonster MBA OT'r of the Year 2013 OT Supporter

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    Matthew 6:1-4 is what they are inferring too!



    /edit for the lazy

     
  7. EWhytsell

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    Not the place for that discussion, but they are a little out of context. Look at the example of what was happening that caused that verse to be stated and you'll see what I'm meaning.

    Unless your going around purposely doing something like "wanting recognition of your greatness/holiness due to giving your pics to them in a cocky/showy manner" then your not doing anything wrong.

    Okay enough of that, now back to the tax credits:bowdown:
     
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    You should have laid terms and gotten a document signed if you wanted to protect your rights, you said they could use them for promotion without restriction or citation (those aren't assumed conditions for use). You have basically no option but begging. The burden of proof for copyright infringement is on the copyright holder. You agreed, they can use them however they want, verbal contracts are binding and hard as hell to prove never happened, which it did anyway.

    Suck it up and learn from your mistake.
     
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    unless you're kinda like the unofficial photographer for them, they should have gotten your permission. have they used/asked for your photos before?
     
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    verbal agreement is still a contract. :doh:
     
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    As a fellow Younglife (back in HS) and a fellow photographer, I could side either way. But, seeing as you agreed for promotional use and never discussed credit/money/etc., I'm going to have to side with YL here.

    You don't want to start crap over something so miniscule. Just let is slide, learn from your mistake, and move on.
     
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    Also: Christians = Shady
     
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    Tonster MBA OT'r of the Year 2013 OT Supporter

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    Well I asked for credit when they asked to use they photos, and they said we will see. Whatever that was just an example, but I only bring it up because they asked again.

    I got this e-mail today [I am on winter break so this is prob in prep for next semester]

     
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    you told them they could use the photos, so what are you bitching about? :ugh:

    next time say "yes, but i want to be credited for them" - it's not a hard situation
     
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    thanks joey
     
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    I agree with Joey.

    I probably wouldn't really get upset if I took pictures of events at my church and later found them on a flyer or something.

    And tell that guy to stop calling them 'picks'.
     
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    Tonster MBA OT'r of the Year 2013 OT Supporter

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    I am not upset at all, I was merely asking if it is out of line to give them an ultimatum, "hey next time cite my pictures or don't ask me" I just think that sounds kind of harsh.
     
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    I'm a Christian, and I've gone through similar stuff with groups...being a part of the group doesn't mean you lose the right to have your photos credited to you. You don't have to be a jerk, but be firm. They are using your work, for free...as long as they credit them to you. Don't let people twist scripture around to maniupulate you. :)
     
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    This should work. If not then you can let it slide or stop giving them pics.
     
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    the last time I checked, there are a ton of books in the bible that the writer is given credited for - Matthew, Mark, Luke, etc.

    If God can give credit to those people for using their creative talent, YL can give some to. It would be Godly of them to also
     
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    My reply

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    So i guess they are willing to give me credit now..
     
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    I think you stated your case very well.
     
  23. xenon supra

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    i wasn't being a jackass, or at least wasn't trying to be one.

    but you gotta see where I'm coming from....
     
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    Yeah, this pretty much sums it up.

    also, how would it ever be inappropriate to give one credit in small letters on the picture?
     
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    I do an extensive amount of work, photo, still video and otherwise for my church and other related or semi-related non-profits.... self promo rights and a plug where appropriate is a perfectly acceptable thing to request (early on) and require (eventually) as you do more and more work. Let this one go if they're being firm about it, just do things differently next time.

    The work may be for God and His church but stifling your ability to effectively donate your (otherwise expensive) work impairs your long-term career, which means you'll have less time, talent and treasure to donate later. Don't be a jerk, don't forget why you're doing the work...but don't let them push you around either.

    I was out recently doing a bunch of video for an SF non-profit that feeds homeless people and they were more than happy to pay my media, transportation and incidentals, as well as grant me all the self promo rights I wanted, credit on the piece, etc. - and this is almost always the case, just do it in advance. People take it as a bit mercenary if you ask for things after the fact, even though it really isn't your intention.
     

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