Tax Money = New Rig. Advice?

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  1. StPatty33

    StPatty33 New Member

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    Hey, OT!
    I've decided to build a new PC with part of my tax return. I wanted to get some feedback from those of you in the know, as it's been about 5 years since I've built a machine. I'd like to get something future-proof without paying out the nose for absolute top-of-the-line.

    Being a graphic designer I need tons of RAM to run the CS3 suite in addition to the other fun stuff I do, so that's why I'm going with 8 gigs. As for the video card, I'll probably eventually buy a second one and run a crossfire with then--I just don't think it's necessary right now. I've already got several lightscribe DVD burners and a good TB of HDD's, so I don't have to worry about buying those. I'll of course grab a good heatsink and thermalpaste as well, but I didn't figure I needed to add those here.

    Should I bump it up from DDR2 800 ram to DDR2 1066 (or whatever it is)?

    Would you recommend something different for any of these components?

    Any feedback is appreciated!!!

    NZXT LEXA-NP Black/ Silver Aluminum Construction Plastic Front Panel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    $119.99

    MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
    $179.99

    SAPPHIRE 100215L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    $239.99

    Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W SLI Ready-ATX12V V2.01 Power Supply - Retail
    $69.99

    AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX - Retail
    $239.99

    2x G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
    $189.98 (total for 2 sets)

    Subtotal:$1,039.93
     
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  2. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    You want to find something better for the psu.

    Corsair XMS2 is around $50 for 2gb.

    The cpu choice is an AMD preference, I assume? Good enough dollar value, if so.

    But if it was me, I would get the new Intel E8400 for around $200, with a Gigabyte board, or if you really want to do some overclocking, an Abit board.

    And I would push the stock 3.0ghz speed up to around 3.8ghz and leave it there.

    That would outperform the quad core, 99% of the time.

    I've got the Intel Q6600 quad core, and I wish I had waited for the E8400.
     
  3. StPatty33

    StPatty33 New Member

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    Thanks for the feedback, Doc!

    I'll grab another PSU--I've never really known what makes a good one other than wattage, and that one's ranked pretty highly on newegg.

    To clarify, the RAM up there is actually $95 for 4 gigs, the price I listed is for 8 gigs total (2 sets)

    The CPU is an AMD preference, but I certainly don't want to be a stubborn fanboy if Intel has something better for the value. My concern is that the AMD I'm planning on snatching is quad core, and the E8400 is dual. Out of curiosity, what is it that makes the E8400 dual better than the quad you're using?

    Yeah, I figure with this system I'll do minimal OC'ing, just some slight optimizing if anything.
     
  4. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    It's very possible that it's a decent psu, but for a rig as nice as what you're putting together, you want something better.

    Here's a great link for psu's. It's what this guy does. Or did, actually. I heard he just got hired by BFG, I think, so he won't be doing any of his own reviews anymore due to conflict of interest.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com//forums/showthread.php?t=1460
     
  5. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Even if you choose to run 64bit to take advantage of the 8gb, you will never ever use all of it. And only in extreme gaming situations can you even use 2 full gigs of memory, much less 8.
    And if you're planning on running normal 32 bit windows, it won't even recognize over 3.5.
    That's why you see some Vista builds with 3gb.

    As far as the cpu goes, there are very few programs out that take advantage of multithreading.
    And an E8400 would be able to smoke through anything else.
    So the only time you would see the difference would be when you were running a multithreaded app, and even then you would hardly notice the difference.
     
  6. Hate Crime

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    :eek3: 8mb cache vs 6, 4 cores vs 2, and overclockable the same on each and you want the e8400?
     
  7. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I'd bet anything that with the same percentage of overclocking, the E8400 would dust the quad core in any standard series of benchmarks.
    The quad cores would do good in the usual suspects, and the E8400 would leave the quads in the dust for everything else.

    For one thing, I've already seen people getting 4.5ghz on air with the E8400.

    :eek3:
     
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    Benchmarks of course, but real world performance...?
     
  9. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Well that's my point though. I've had my Q6600 running since like November, and I don't see a bit of difference between it and my E6600 build.
    In fact the only time it's showed what it's made of was during some encoding.
    Then it's badass for sure, but not so much badass that it makes up for the rest of the time.
    And for less money, I could have been running the E8400, and with no trouble at all, have it running close to 4ghz. That's just crazy territory.
     
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    Thanks for the great feedback, guys. While it sounds like the dual core may be as effective if not more effective with today's applications, I think I'll probably go with the quad, simply for some future-proofing if nothing else. Knowing Adobe, CS4 will require it--hahaha.

    I've taken your advice and just stuck with 4 gigs of RAM instead of 8.

    Here's what I think the complete final rig will be. Changed to a dif brand of video card, as newegg was out of stock of the other:

    NZXT LEXA-NP Black/ Silver Aluminum Construction Plastic Front Panel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    $119.99

    MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
    $179.99

    DIAMOND Viper 3870PE4512SB Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    $239.99

    SILVERSTONE SST-ST75ZF ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS12V 750W Power Supply - Retail
    $139.99

    AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX - Retail
    $239.99

    G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
    $94.99

    Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
    $5.99

    ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
    $48.99

    Subtotal: $1,069.92
     
  12. Harry Caray

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    Dunno, but his charts pretty much show that a stock (2.4ghz) Q6600 almost walks over EVERY AMD CPU including the Agena 9700 in EVERY test.... (games, rendering, compression, etc,etc) and..

    it runs cooler, and it OC's cooler... OH YEAH..

    Clock it up to 3.2ghz and then run the benchmarks again (don't seem to mention that the AMD 9700 doesn't OC worth a damn)

    I'm sorry, but in the "real world".. a Q6600 will walk all over the E8400 or any AMD build current on the market (up to 4 cores that is)...

    If you really are a graphics designer, a Q6600 will chew anything you throw at it...

    and yes, ALL Adobe CS3 products are QUAD core threaded ;)

    Avid as well...
     
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    dont ignore the others' advice.
    Phenom = fail
     
  14. Doc Brown

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    Yeah, if the Adobe, CS4 comment had been posted earlier, I would have suggested the Q6600 as well. But I was trying to stay in his price range.
    And I think the E8400 would stomp the Phenom in day to day computing.
     
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    get a SLI video card, so you can always get a secondif needed :)
     
  16. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The problem with SLI is that it limits the motherboards you can buy.
    And it's not as fast as the next card that's always coming out in 6 months.
    And on top of all that, it's buggy with some games.

    Better to get the best single card you can afford today.
     
  17. Skyline22GTR

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    I agree with this. SLI is only useful if you are building a current gaming rig and have enough dough to purchase two of the newest cards available. Otherwise its a waste.
     
  18. GooeyGus

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    Get a q6600 instead of a phenom. It wont let you down.

    I'm running a q6600 at 3.15ghz and an HD3870 (overclocked like crazy :noes:) and I get 3d mark scores in the 14k's without really tweaking stuff too much.
     
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    If you are going to go with the HD 3870, the 750 watt power supply is overkill

    The new ATI cards are much more power efficient than NVIDIAs, see http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13603/9

    and as a result something in the 550-600 range will be more than capable of handling your system

    check these out
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341001
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104014
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163112

    All but the first one of those have free shipping too :)
     
  20. StPatty33

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    Word. Thanks for the feedback again. I felt like the PSU might have been a bit overkill. I also dropped the heatsink and fan in favor of the stock ones that are included with the Intel chip. Here's the new setup. What about the MB? Would you go for something else? The only drawback of that board that I've found is that it won't do SLI if for some reason I wanted to go that route later.



    NZXT LEXA BlackLine Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
    $99.99

    GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    $99.99

    DIAMOND Viper 3870PE4512SB Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
    $239.99

    SILVERSTONE SST-ST56F ATX 12V 2.01 & EPS 12V 560W Power Supply - Retail
    $94.99

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
    $277.99

    G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
    $94.99

    Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
    $111.49

    Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
    $5.99

    Subtotal: $1,025.42

    One of the cool things is that we have a store here called Microcenter, and I can actually get a lot of this stuff there for even cheaper than newegg and tigerdirect. I'm probably going to start buying the stuff tomorrow.
     
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    That looks really good. Almost the same setup I have (mobo, cpu, and GPU are all the same) you'll be really happy with it!!
     
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    You will never, ever need two video cards at once. If you're that desperate to piss away your cash, you can donate it to the Christian Children's Relief Fund. It'll go about as far and last about as long.
     

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