GUN Tasing justified or not?

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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  2. Werm

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    He was pretty quick to it... but the guy should have just followed his directions in the first place WITHOUT the lip.

    Fight it in court... not on the streets.
     
  3. MTech

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    I'd say they should taze these assholes but they get that as part of their training.. it's ridiculous how quickly these assholes jump to taze people. That was in no way remotely near a life threatening situation let alone even a violent one at that.
     
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    Absolutely unjustified. Citizens can give whatever lip they feel like to a LEO. As long as they don't threaten the LEO, of course. There are exceptions but the video posted is certainly not one of them.

    Not to mention, tazers are not non-lethal. They are "less than lethal," just as rubber bullets and sandbag bullets are. People continue to die from being tazed, yet police are still encouraged to use them. The really sick part is how these a**holes make all police look. I have former and current LEO friends and family, have done ride-alongs, etc. I still think most police are good people. What's scary is the a**holes seem to be a very rapidly growing minority.
     
  5. kellyclan

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    Looked fine to me. Clearly told him why he was being stopped. Tagged the guy for not having a plate on the car, and had to tell him at least three times to produce his license and reg.

    Side of the highway is not a place to be flailing around with somebody who doesn't want to cooperate. Person was not complying with clear instructions, so he got a dose of Edison's Medicine.

    Around here, cops are taught to use the taser before laying their hands on somebody, or even spraying them. They are still considered a non-lethal weapon in the use of force continuum, and so don't need a lethal threat to justify use. Less chance of injury for everyone involved. People don't "continue to die" from tasers. People are dying from the complications of drug abuse and excited delirium. Very few of the taser involved custody deaths did not have such complicating factors. Before we had tasers, these deaths were blamed on restraint positions or prior use of chokeholds.
     
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    :bowdown: that's what our city does from my understanding, if you want to carry a tazer, you have to be tazed, one of the few things i do enjoy about our police crew, one of the very few

    but yes, my biggest concern w/ the tazing is that because it isnt "lethal", they'll use it a lot more often than they should, abuse the damn thing
     
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    the guy was not really quick to comply. but I do not feel he posed a threat. I think that was a very questionable use of force. Although I wouldn't want the officer fired for that, I think he does need a refresher course on proper use of a taser and escalation of force.
     
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    life threatening situation would = deadly force, no?
     
  9. 7lvis

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    THAT FUKKER DESERVED IT. FUKKING SMART ASS. Also I dont live in america where they regularly have ghetto thugs shooting traffic controllers.
     
  10. Wave

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    wow... I was already to say "taser the asshole" but after watching that I'd have to say the cop went WAY overboard. Without seeing what exactly the guy was doing in the car when he was asked for his DL and insurance, it's kinda hard to say if he wasn't even quick to comply. If his license isn't on him (wallet in the center console or whatever) it can take a couple seconds. Also digging thru a glove box to find the proof can take a while.

    Also, it's the cop that tells him to get out of the car with his paperwork (sketchy at best on a freeway like that), hits him with the door, then when the guy turns around to see why he was just hit, the cops tases him.

    Seems to me the cop took a simple stop and escalated it at every opportunity. An extra 10 seconds patients at the beginning of the stop and the whole thing probably wouldn't have happened.
     
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    That cop really had an itchy trigger finger, the driver fucked up by not listening to the cop. at the very least i'll talk to the cop, let him know that i'm looking for the insurance card or what ever but dam that cop must have been having a bad day.
     
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  12. Anders 7

    Anders 7 I aim to misbehave OT Supporter

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    They use a gun in life threatening situations.
     
  13. 7lvis

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    The guy had ample opportunity he was just being a bitch because the cop was shouting. Id do what he says. He got told to put his hands on the boot several times before tazing.
     
  14. Paul Revere

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    See: Post 8.
     
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    I would think.. but when they had all this BS on the news like 3 days ago they said the taser is supposed to be a "non lethal alternative" to using their gun, or if they can't get to their gun in situations where they're in immediate danger.
     
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    regardless of any newscast, my understanding is that police use whatever level of force thats necessary to stop a threat. if all it takes is physical presence, great, but sometimes more than that is needed. :dunno: i know there are cops that post in here, feel free to chime in
     
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    I would say shoot somebody if they pull a gun too. It wasn't some news guy saying it, it was some representative they were interviewing. I think what he was eluding to is if the guy pulls a knife or shows he's going to try and strike the office than light him up. If he's just running his mouth than that's his own priority if he wants to waive his right to be silent, it doesn't mean you light him up.

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    The above statement is essentially correct, but specifically an LEO would use the minimum level of force necessary to stop a threat. The LEO could have used "soft hands" to stop the threat, but rolling around with a yo-yo on the side of the highway exposes all parties to traffic hazards. The next step in the use of force continuum would be "hard hands/baton/OC/taser". It appears the officer used his judgement to use the next highest level of force.
    It sucks, it's ugly, and I don't know if I would have handled it that way, but it's worth mentioning that the suspect was in control of the situation the whole time. If he had complied, there wouldn't have been an issue.
     
  19. Paul Revere

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    thats what i meant :hs:
     
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    I recognize that URL. Austin PD eh?
     
  21. JaimeZX

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    Tough call. We can't see what the driver is doing. It *appears* that the cop was being an asshole and escalated way too fast, but the driver could have been doing something like wacking off and not even apparently TRYING to get his stuff out. So. :dunno:

    :o
     
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    I'd say no... the guy wasn't fighting back or being hostile. :dunno:
     
  23. Paul Revere

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    and meter maids. NOT "parking enforcement officer" you're a fucking METER MAID
     
  24. MTech

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    So do you think she'll accept payment plan B? :naughty:
     
  25. Not justified at all. That cop is a total dick head. 70 in a 65 must REALLY piss him off.
     

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