MIL Talking to the Army

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  1. gookarachie

    gookarachie New Member

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    I am prior service and have been out for 6 years. I am thinking about going back in. By the way I am a Marine. I am not going back into the marines because they are so hard on the body and the family. The Army is way better in both of these areas.

    So I have been talking to the Army and doing allot of reading. I would like to be a helicopter pilot. So what I have heard and what I have read seem to contradict each other(I will list below).

    Heard from the Army: I would go in as an E-5(what I got out as), I would not have to go to boot camp, I would go to what is called "warrior training" its 4 weeks and more of a refresher course on how to were the uniform. Then I would go to the MOS school that I had chosen.. Once I started doing my "job" ( a helicpter crew chief), then I put in for the warrent officer program and get a flight physical. After graduation from the warrant officer school I then would be shipped off to flight sckool. After I graduate that I am now a pilot.

    What I have read: (from the army web sight) I apply for warrant officer school as a cavilian, once accepted I go to the warrant officer school and the rest you have read from above.

    So to all of you army guys. Which one is true, what is the real truth.

    From those of you that are in and married with children:
    1) How family friendly in the Army?
    2) Would JAG help me and my wife get custody of her son from a previous marige(they have joint custody now)?
    3) How are the schools on base?
    4) does the Army treat spouses well?

    I may have more to come, I am talking to them again tonight so I may have more for you later.
     
  2. fader

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    I'm sorry not to answer your question. I am interested in going into the Marines in a year. Can you tell me what you didn't like about the Marines?

    So far I heard bearly any bad things about the Marines.

    It'd be greatly appreciated.

    THANKS!
     
  3. Nixstress

    Nixstress Look at me! I am edgy and stabby! OT Supporter

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    1. What is your definition of family friendly... can you be more specific in what you are wanting to know? I can say that I have had no complaints, it's up to your spouse how involved she wants to be on the FRG/family side of things.
    2. No, you would have to go to a civilian lawyer for that.
    3. It really depends on the base you are looking at. I was very happy with the base in Friedberg as well as at Ft. Hood.
    4. It really depends, the army is a very small community regardless of how big the base will be. There is alot of gossip that can go on as well as competition sometimes. If you don't allow room for people to talk about you behind your back then there shouldn't be a problem. Once again I have to say that I have had no complaints. :)
     
  4. gookarachie

    gookarachie New Member

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    OK lets see why did I get out, The barracks was the main thing. I hated living in the barracks. I was 21 years old and there was no alcohal in the barracks. Now this depends on the unit but in mine there was no alcohal at all. It really sucked. Not that I am an alcoholic its that the rules are made by married people that don't have to live in the barracks so they don't care what the living conditions are.

    The lack of good equipment, your shit will always be old and falling apart, you will have no budget to get new shit or have it repaired. You will learn to imporvise everything.

    If you want to have a family it will most likely end in desaster. The Marines demand allot of your time, you are a marine first, before a father and a husband you are a marine first.

    The physical demands on your body will age you fast, look at a marine who has been in 10-20 years they look like they are 60 years old and you know they are not.

    Those are just a few of the reasons I got out, there are more but those are the main ones.

    If I had the chance to do it all over again I would, I would have busted my ass more to get promotted faster, to be more locked on so I got to do more fun shit. The better motivated you are the more locked on you are the more your superiors see that and grat your requests to do fun shit more. I didn't find this out until I had been in for 2 years. I would have reenlisted, I would know no better of life that the corps. I would not have become so soft out in the real world. I would not have become a family man like I am not and have to think about my wife and kid.

    If somebody were to take me back in time and say I will give you 1 billion dollars to not go into the marines, you can do anything else but join the marines I would tell them to fuck off, being a marine is that good.

    I earned that title and I did my time well with honor and nobody can take that away.

    I have recently gone to a high school reunion, I was able to say that summer after high school I became a marine! What did you do? Most of the time they said nothing, or I don't know just fucked off. Well I am better off for being a Marine and you will be too. Its all about how you take it. You will get out of it what you put into it.
     
  5. kidhero

    kidhero not really a hero, really just a big fat phony

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    join the air force.
     
  6. RRTX

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    If you want to go flight warrant, I would definately try to get it before enlisting. I don't know what the exact process is, but the recruiting office will. Once you are in it is extremely difficult to get a warrant packet through. You have to have multiple letters of reccomendation from pilots and you have to have a command willing to help you get the packet done. I had five friends try it when we were in, only one ever got all the way through the process and he had to fight for years to get it done. If the recruiter you are going to right now won't help you, find a different one that will.
     
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  7. Nixstress

    Nixstress Look at me! I am edgy and stabby! OT Supporter

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    The Army demands quite a bit of time as well, and from my experience the deployments (I can only speak for combat arms) was plenty. This is a fact of life with the military, but it is possible to have a successful marriage despite the time away from home.
     
  8. ViperKiller

    ViperKiller AD USAF

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    Air Force ftw :)
     
  9. Darky

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    I'd say if you're looking for a branch that won't take time away from your family, find a different job. Especially if you're looking to fly. The military requires lots of your time, both deployments and at work time. Pilots are gone even more cuz you gotta keep up on training, you gotta train at night, in the day, inclement weather, etc. Helo's go everywhere. You'll be going on short term deployments all over, long term deployments everywhere, the first to go to war, etc. I had a friend back in O'side CA who was a major, flew the Cobra, and he had a lot of deployments, but had a great family, didn't have regrets. Don't consider barracks life as a reason to stay away from the Corps, obviously you're married now so that's not going to affect you. Besides, the same restrictions get put on no matter the service. On Okinawa, we had more freedom than the Air Force guys did most of the time. They had 10pm curfews and all that. Their barracks life was better, 2 man rooms, no communal toilets, maids, etc but they ran into the same stupid rules. My command allowed you 1 6 pack per 21 yr old in the room, as long as every one was 21. Same when I got back to the States. From your words, I'd recommend the Air Force because of the people I've spoken to, the AF guys liked it better. An AF 1stLt summarized it this way: The Marine Corps takes our budget (small though it may be) and buys what we need, then asks for more money to put towards MWR. The gov't says, you don't need more for that, and we get no more money. The AF takes their money, spends on all the nicer things in life to keep the flyboys happy then asks the gov't for more money to pay for F-15s, missiles and all that other stuff they need for the job and the gov't says well, you actually need that, here's the Corps extra budget $... :big grin:

    Plus, they're the most soft, civilian friendly out there. No boot camp there either, just like Army would do for you.
     
  10. Accord

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    You don't have to enlist to be able to put in a package for WOFT, if the recruiter tells you otherwise, he is lying. Ask him about "High School to Flight School" and tell him you want to put in a package as a civilian. Once accepted you'll go through basic, or in your case warrior training or whatever the army calls it, and then you go directly WOCS and then WOFT. Again, you don't have to enlist to put in a package, you can do it as a civilian.
     
  11. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Correct, you can apply for the Army flight WOCS program prior to enlisting, but it is not the "High School to Flight School" program in his case due to him being prior service. The board is more strict on non-military people applying though.


    http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/


    Need Assistance?
    Prior to contacting a Warrant Officer recruiter, we ask that you please follows these guidelines:


    1. Review this entire site to answer commonly asked questions.


    2. Contact the recruiters through the [email protected] address.


    3. The toll free number is 1-800-223-3735, ext. 6 and the last four of the phone number.


    4. The team fax number is DSN 536-0938 or commercial (502) 626-0938.
     
  12. fader

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    I see.. I still think I want to join :hsugh:

    One more question.. how about height? im 5'5 :ugh: And I doubt ill grow more then another inch my parents are pretty short.. Is everyone in the marines like 6'1 220?

    Thanks.
     
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    While at APG, Maryland, I saw a Marine who couldn't of been any taller than 4'11 or something.
     
  14. Darky

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    Knew plenty of short people. You guys actually have an advantage on the PFT (except the run). Short arms and short torsos make for less distance to travel doing pullups and crunches.
    Knew a 5'4" bodybuilder, a 5'4" trashtalker (who oddly enough backed it up), most people are under 6'
     
  15. fader

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    Thanks guys :)
     
  16. gookarachie

    gookarachie New Member

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    I have looked into the airforce and they don't want prior service. They are saying that they have to many people in and trying to sigh un. So they have to save the spots for the people that are already in or want to come in fresh(you know having new people to get promoted throught the ranks)
     
  17. gookarachie

    gookarachie New Member

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    My bride is thinking about joining too. She is new and would have to go to boot.

    1) What is life like with both members in?

    She would like to pick a job that is on every base, like medical or JAG, or something along those lines.

    2) Does the Army try to station spouses together if they are both in?
     
  18. Nixstress

    Nixstress Look at me! I am edgy and stabby! OT Supporter

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    You guys are trying to get custody of her son and she wants to try and go active duty? Where would her son go during deployments? How old is he? If he is school age you would have to set up care for him both before and after school, if he is too young to be in school then you are looking at him being in child care for long hours each and everyday. Sure it's doable but you might want to look at his homelife now and compare it to how drastically it will change if she goes active duty and tries to gain custody.
     
  19. smokie700

    smokie700 right near da beach, Boiiiii

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    The statement I'm confused about is that you have been out for 6 years. When I got out of Army in 01. If you were not active duty for 4 or more years then the highest rank you could get was e-4. This applies to NCO's also. Might wanna reference that with other recruiters. The warrior training is true. Also you will have to repeat AIT (Unless Army has relaxed things due to war) Better to go warrant before you enlist. Once your enlisted then you will have to fight all the red tape to get considered/transfered for warrant/flight school. Quality of life is ok but it all depends on the base.
     
  20. gookarachie

    gookarachie New Member

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    You have brought up some good points. We have joint custody now with her ex husband. He is old enough to be in school, it is also my understanding that there is day care on the base that is pro rated depending on rank. Again with the custody thing her ex won't fight it.

    It sounds like it is best to get WO while I ma out here. I cannot fly because of my eye sight. So I basically have 2 options if I am to go back in.

    1) I think this is what I am leaning towards. Put in a WO package as a civilian. It would most likely be doing what I have been doing for years and what I did in the Marines. Electronics teck, more specifically radio repair.(does anybody have any experiance in this field?)

    2) Go back in as an NCO, have the Army pay for my eye surgery then put in a package for WO then off to flight school.

    We are still both undecided on which route to go. She is still not 100% sure she wants to join. Both of us though want to spent the hollidays at home so nothing is going to happen untill after the new year. We are just trying to gather info so we can make the best decision.
     
  21. Nixstress

    Nixstress Look at me! I am edgy and stabby! OT Supporter

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    You know then that school starts anywhere from 0730-0830 and ends anywhere from 1430 to 1530(depending on the age). You also know that the Army isn't a 9-5 job so her son would have to go to daycare before school as well as after school. This means you could be looking at him being away from home for 12 hours or more each day. You need to look at the homelife his father can offer (whether he has a normal job and the child wouldn't have to be in daycare for so long) and also look at what is in the best interest of the child. Again, there are plenty of families with both parents in the military, but if there was a way for the child to not have to be in daycare for so long than that might be the best solution all around.

    I'm just throwing ideas out there that I am sure you and your wife have already discussed. Someone else mentioned in the thread about not being able to enter the Army above an E-4 if you have been out for more than 4 years... you should look into that also.
     
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    I have looked into the coming back as an E-5. I have been told that it is up to the recruiting command that I am going in under. I would go through a review board depending on the amount of leadershit training that I have gone through. E-5 is a possability but nothing lower than E-4.
     
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    I am looking for some pros and cons on the following choices:

    1) Going in enlisted having the Army do eye surgery then applying for WOFT. In the regs it states that eye surgery is a disqualifyer but a waiver is normaly issued 3 months after the surgery.

    2) Putting in my Wo package out here and going in under my old specialty. That would be communications, radio repair stuff. I am not sure what this would be in the Army.
     
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    As a civilian, you cannot put in a warrant officer package for anything outside of the flight program (WOFT), the warrant officers in every other ground MOS and field come from within the army, it's just specifically WOFT is open to civilians. Since you're prior service you may be able to, I don't know, but I do know civilians can't put in a regular WO package unless it's for flying.

    Do you have a 4 year degree?
     
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    hmm.. could someone explain what WO's in the US army are? In the CF, the WO's are top ranked NCO's. From what I understand in this thread and what I've heard before, they are specialists in certain technical fields. For starters, are they considered as NCO's or officers? What kind of stuff to they do apart from flying helicopters?
     
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