Talk me out of buying a 150GB Raptor X.

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  1. negative zero

    negative zero New Member

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    Storyy goes like this. I have (had) a 74 GB raptor as my OS/application drive as well as a 250GB WD HD for all my backups.

    Was thinking of getting a new drive because I could use a little more room. Then my Raptor decides to die so I am awaiting an advance RMA. I'm completely impatient and am thinking of going out and buying the 150GB raptor instead of waiting for the RMA drive. Then just selling the RMA drivde when I get it.
    This would still give me a whopping ~75GB :hs: more space.

    Is the a drive out there that is close/equal to the raptors performance but has more space?
     
  2. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Nothing is going to beat the Raptor's seek time, because nothing else spins as fast. As far as data throughput is concerned, most anything can match the Raptor nowadays, because throughput is based on bit density * rotational speed, and almost all drives have higher bit densities than the Raptors do now.
     
  3. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    If you're getting a new replacement, your best bet is to keep it.

    You won't get enough for it if you sell it to accomplish anything worth doing.

    If you have the budget for a 150gb Raptor, then get a Seagate 750gb drive instead.

    Then run your 74gb for the os, which it's perfect for, and have a ton of backup space.
     
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    I'm all about size over speed. I'd rather wait an extra 3 seconds for something to get done than have like 500 less gigs on a drive. I'm soon going to be building a 2tb raid 5 array with five Seagate 500gig sata's.
     
  5. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Give me the quick rundown on RAID 5. And brace yourself,

    I've asked before and left everyone shaking their heads when it was all over.

    :mamoru:
     
  6. Bencorn

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    What do you mean?
     
  7. Bencorn

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    Did I say something way wrong?
     
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    I've never done a raid before but from what I've read is that I can do a setup like that right? Or have I misunderstood?
     
  9. 4x4guru

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    Doc speaks the troof... only adv with the Raptors is the MTBF which is a killer 1.5mil hrs or something 24/7 ,365 a yr.

    WD just replaced my 36g Raptor with a 74 because they were outta stock of the 36's so they just upgraded me for free !!!.. Gotta love that. So now I have another 5 years !!!

    But I'd go for 500 or 750 for the throughput...
     
  10. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    No, seriously.

    I don't know how RAID works, and the last time I asked someone about it it wound up being 3 pages, so I still haven't done it.

    So I figure if I learn each RAID method, one at a time, I might be able to decide on one.
     
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    As far as I've read, you get 3 or more of the same drives and put them together. The data is spread across all the drives and uses the space of one drive as backup. So in my case if I use five 500's it will use up 500 gigs of space as backup across all the drives and leave me with 2tb minus the bit differences. So like 1.8tb? Whatever the usable space is on 4 500's. At least thats how I've read it and rewrote it in a nutshell.
     
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    Not true...Yes Raptors will continue to be top pick for the majority of normal users/enthusiasts. They are currently the top performer for single user systems. Even if a drive, like the upcoming 15k.6, took away that crown the majority of PC builders would still stay with the Raptors because they won't have to buy an expensive PCI-e SAS host card.

    With the current track record of 15K enterprise drives I find it very unlikely any 15K SAS drive will take the single user performance lead away from the Raptor. Drive manufacturers gear those enterprise drives towards, guess who, enterprise systems. They don't care how quickly it boots Vista or loads HL2. Highest IO/Sec with multiple users is their primary goal.
    The price of SSD's will keep them out of the realm of what 99% of us use and it will stay that way until NAND prices drop significantly. Currently 1GB of NAND is about $6.50. IMHO until NAND is closer to $2/GB SSDs will stay where they are.
     
  13. negative zero

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    So what's the next fastest drive other than the raptor?

    Either waym I guess my problem is that I'm impatient. I just got the new rig running over last weekend and the drive dies this week. Of course the drive was broght over from my old system so it's ~3 yrs old maybe. I knew it wouldn't last forever.

    I just hate waiting on the new one. WD says the new one will ship in 3-5 days. They'll probably send it ground so I may be without my main pc for close to 2 weeks.

    :(
     
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    dorkultra OT's resident crohns dude OT Supporter

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    anyone ever used scsi before? it's fast!
     
  15. NPH

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    My old 80GB Raptor was the only hard drive that I've owned that died on me.
     
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    Speaking of, I just got my LSI MegaRAID SAS/SATA controller card (8 port of course)... the guy sent the wrong frickin one... I got a PCI-X instead of PCI-Express
     
  17. deusexaethera

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    1. Buy a RAID card.
    2. Buy some identical hard drives.
    3. Plug it all in and turn it on.
    4. Go into the RAID card's BIOS and tell it to make a RAID-5 using the drives.
    5. Reboot and install Windows, making sure to have the RAID card's drivers on a floppy disk.

    That's the simple version. You could get into the differences between RAID-3 and RAID-5, but most cards only offer RAID-5 so it's a moot point. RAID-1 only makes sense if you only have two drives, and RAID-0 only makes sense if you crave punishment.
     
  18. Bitter Moose

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    I'm a big fan of raptors. I've owned four different drives. They're not as loud as some people will say (I've never noticed them as being distinctly loud compared to anything else in my pc). They do run hot though. Im an overall big fan of them.
     
  19. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    How quickly you've forgotten.

    :mamoru:

    I know I could buy a card, and plug it in, and figure it out.

    I was just asking what RAID 5 does, how it works, number of drives it takes, etc.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Well, I caved. Went down and picked up the Raptor 150...





















    and a seagate 500GB external eSATA.
     
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    raptors are poser.

    scsi 15k or bust
     
  24. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Hundreds of dollars less than a 15k scsi drive though.
     
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    as are most poser products.
     

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