GUN Surefire Rails...worth a crap?

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  1. thegooch

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    I can get a brand new Surefire Midlength rail for $150 installed. Are Surefire rails decent?
     
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    I don't believe they are free float. You definately want a free float rail.

    This is where I say traditional railed fore ends are not ideal. Everyone has heard my gripe about these things right. The fore end I like is the JP/vtac fore end and just put pieces of rail where you need them.

    http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.4.php
     
  3. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    I've got an M85 (middy) that I like enough but would have gone with a Troy MRF had they been out at the time.
     
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    They are not free float, but I've had a couple of people say the Surefire rails hold zero or whatever. And fuck it for $150 I don't know if that price can be beat, free float or not. Honestly, does free float matter for an Eotech 512?
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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  6. thegooch

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    :rofl:
     
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    If you don't want freefloat look at the Troy MRF-DI
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    I have that exact same rail on my ADS.
     
  10. Paul Revere

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    troy mrf-di FTMFW

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    i`ve heard theyre not too bad of rails.almost bought one,but i went with the dd omega instead
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Just FYI but they're relatively heavy. It's why for awhile, I was considering changing mine out for an MRF.
     
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    MRF-DI only adds 4ozs over m4 style handguards :cool:
     
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    It is ridiculously light
     
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    A free float handguard means that the rifle is capable of shooting more accurately from various positions. It does not matter if you shoot unsupported free hand, prone off a bipod, baricaded off a object ect. The pressure on the handguard has zero affect on the barrel. The handguard has nothing to do with zero. It has to do with the barrels ability to shoot a tighter group. It is a major factor to the accuracy of the rifle!

    The JP/vtac handguard is also $150 so it's the same price.

    The jp handguard is also lighter weight, dissapates heat better, and has more options for mounting lights, secondary optics, or whatever else you wanted. You put the rails just where you need them. Granted you have to buy the rail sections seperately. I run 3 small pieces of rail. It's lighter weight and I don't cut my hand up with exposed rail I'm not using.

    If you get a traditional railed fore end you'll probably cover it with ladders or hand guards so it'll be about the same price as a JP w/ a few small rail sections.
     
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    no free float no care.
     
  18. Paul Revere

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    comon, lets be realistic: do you think anyone on this site other than you will notice the accuracy difference between free float and non handguards?

    especially on a carbine?
     
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    I certainly hope so and I don't see what carbine has to do with it. Can't you tell a change of 1 moa in your rifle?
     
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    i wish my Troy rail had the holes for a QD Swing mount, i think the Troy MRF-C only has it

    back on topic though, I had a Surefire M73 for a little bit. I never installed it though, but it was a quality piece. It definitely has that monolithic look
     
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    Well the way I look at is you can easily spend twice as much on your ammo for that extra 1" of accuracy. Alternatively you can select a free float fore end for about the same money and get 1"

    It's a matter of performance. If your going to have an AR, have an accurate one. Otherwise maybe save some $$$ and get an AK. (not that AK's are bad)
     
  22. kellyclan

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    Debate on FF v. non-FF aside, Surefire's AR models good quality rails. AK stuff not so much.
     
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    Better question...... If given that the rails are the same price, and both easy to come by; Why would you choose the concession?

    FF rails are easy to come by, and I'm certainly not a fan of shit fucking with my barrel. What benefit does a non-FF rail have?
     
  24. Paul Revere

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    ease of installation/removal.

    i have a 14.5" barrel with permanently attached muzzle device, as do many AR15 owners. to install a free float rail I (and others) would have to remove the front sight base, but in order to do that we'd have to remove the muzzle device - problematic if spot welded on.
     
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    You could cut that garbage front sight off with a mill or a dremel (if done carefully) then install whatever 2 piece clamp on gas block fits your barrel as a replacement. YHM makes several from $40 to $100. Now you can remove barrel, clean gas block, clean gas tube, remove/change fore end etc.

    If there is a will there is a way.
     

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