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  1. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    its more or less my blog. but anyways its all done from scrach. i redid it in php from jsp. tell me what u think. all suggestions welcome :wavey:

    its all text, no images ;) makes surfing from lynx, pda and cell phone easier :big grin:

    http://www.cyberbullets.net
     
  2. MP

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    That's pretty good for all text. The only thing I kinda don't like is the size of the text in the left menu. Not sure why...just doesn't seem to fit it.

    As far as the colors everything there works. Really easy on the eyes, isn't to "much".

    I like it.
     
  3. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    thanks.

    yeah i like text only. plus i got crapy art skills ;)
     
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    haha me to. I stick to all text as much as I can.
     
  5. Leb_CRX

    Leb_CRX OT's resident terrorist

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    pretty good site, but you need to go to the gym! hehe

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  6. Astro

    Astro Code Monkey

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    Nice and clean.

    You would have scored uber-points if you dropped all tables and used div and CSS (its the new trendy way to do site design). CompiledMonkey had a post a few days back on a slick web site that used only this method...

    Since I'm here, I wanna test out a new sig (IE users may get screwed due to lack of PNG support):
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  7. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    days i didnt go i worked ;) i guess i should of said that. lol.
     
  8. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    yeah i saw that site. it was really good.

    i should look over the css and div on that one page.

    i only use 3 tables right now, but ill look into dropping them.


    Thanks everyone for the advice :bigthumb:
     
  9. D1G1T4L

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    cool but i liked it in jsp better
     
  10. Penguin Man

    Penguin Man Protect Your Digital Liberties

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    Looks pretty good... Ooooo, webmail :cool:
     
  11. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    i never posted the site when i had jsp running cause it was 486 slow. it uses a shared jre... :hs:
     
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    i know ;)
     
  13. CyberBullets

    CyberBullets I reach to the sky, and call out your name. If I c

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    so i did what u guys suggested. so i now have no tables and use div/tag/css and cleaned it up a bit more.

    is there anything else?

    i did the testing in ie6. tell me what other browsers do/say

    http://www.cyberbullets.net

    fuck it looks like shit with moz/netscape.... wtf....
     
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    Astro, that site I posted a few days ago inspired me to be more standard in my web work. I'm redoing our department website at school (converting from a HTML page to XHTML/CSS templates). I was having a hell of a time, but it's getting easier. It's really an entire thought changing process in how you code pages.

    All I need to do it convert the header page, but I'm not sure if I'm going to take the time. I'll certainly get the style attributes out of the HTML though. :big grin:

    http://sasha.isy.vcu.edu:8080/index.jsp
     
  16. CyberBullets

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    I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on using strictly CSS/DHTML for a full production site (unless its an artsy-fartsy site). To do full blown CSS/DHTLM, it requires you to be very knowledgable about about these two technologies and the quirks of the various browsers. So at work, I'm happy that they have a ton of tables. It ensures the older browsers won't hiccup too badly.

    For personal sites, I'd recommend it. In fact, I've been trying to brew up a new direction for rsbauer.com (probably drop PostNuke and slide over to a CSS/DHTML driven site).

    CyberBullets: Check into using Mozilla and some of its web dev tools. Once you get Mozilla, go here:

    http://placenamehere.com/pnhtoolbar/

    There's some layout tools you might find helpful in developing and troubleshootign your site. Also you will find if you design and get it to work in Mozilla, it will work in:

    - All Gecko based browsers (Netscape, Mozilla, Firebird, Camino, Ghostzilla, etc)
    - Opera (at least most likely)
    - Safari (if it doesn't work in Safari, then its probably a bug in Safari)
    - Konquerer (See Safari)
    - IE sort of. You may run up into some minor styling issues.

    IE is a strange beast when it comes to CSS. It supports a chunk of it, but not really the same chunk as the W3C chunk.
     
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    Astro, I assume you mean XHTML. :dunno: So far I haven't found any real browser specific items with XHTML/CSS. I would imagine since they are standards you wouldn't have any. Everything I've coded in XHTML/CSS so far has worked perfectly in IE6 and Mozilla. Also, I was checking out your site a little bit ago and was thinking you should create a nice XHTML/CSS/PHP/MySQL application out of it. I really want to create a community driven site myself, I just need to find the time and people ( ;) ) to do it with.
     
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    Our company HAD created an XHTML site. Word was it sucked and was a pain to make work properly and support with cross-browsers. Either way, they have completely backed away from XHTML (and for some reason, CSS and meta tags! - we've got meta tags now though!).

    The current problem with XHTML is all the browsers support some flavor of XHTML, but none seem to be the same. So I'm saying just go with HTML/CSS/DHTML. When it comes time to switch to XHTML, then your site will be ready.

    In terms of differences with IE vs Mozilla and styles, there's little quirks how IE will handle a div tag and how Mozilla will handle it. There's a ton of little CSS tricks that either work in Mozilla or work in IE and its a matter of finding a happy medium.
     
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    Interesting. I've never heard anybody have problems like that before. I'll keep this in mind when I work on sites. I normally stick to XHTML 1.0 Transitional and everything works out ok. Thanks for the heads up. :big grin:
     
  21. CyberBullets

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    i ran my site though the W3C checker and fixed almost all the problems.

    now i have to remove all the font tags since they are depreciated.

    then astro ill check out that site!

    thanks for all the info.

    btw i think non tables and <div><span> with css looks much better. my code is much cleaner too :big grin:
     
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    Astro Code Monkey

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    If its working for you then go for it! I haven't had a chance to fully dive into it, so I admit I may be full of hot air. Just from the reading I've done, XHTML seems a little flakey.
     
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    Which? CSS and your HTML? Which DTD are you validating your HTML with?

    That's one large reason I like XHTML, it's just sooo much cleaner and easier to maintain. Not to mention the style control of CSS. ;)
     
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    It very well could be, I haven't read much on it myself. I've just been screwing around and learning on the fly. :dunno:
     
  25. CyberBullets

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    http://validator.w3.org/
     

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