GUN Store clerk charged with murder

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    Store clerk charged with murder
    Alleged thief was shot Sunday night
    http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080819/NEWS/808190366/1001/news
    Gary Pettus • [email protected] • August 19, 2008

    Possible confusion about the 2-year-old "Castle Doctrine" has left one Jackson man dead and another charged in the slaying.

    Tension between the African-American and Indian communities, said one Jackson City Council member, also may have been a factor in the Sunday night shooting death of James Hawthorne, 36, outside J&S Food Mart on Medgar Evers Boulevard.

    Store clerk Sarbrinder Pannu, 31, is charged with murder and shooting into an occupied vehicle. He allegedly shot Hawthorne after the man grabbed a case of beer from the store and ran to a black SUV he had parked in front of the store. Hawthorne did not have a weapon when he entered the store, police said. He was inside his vehicle when shot and he lost control, crashing into a gas pump, police said.

    "He was shot more than once," Jackson Police Department Deputy Chief Gerald Jones said.

    On Monday, a woman at the store identifying herself as RaJ Pannu, Sarbrinder's wife, said her husband's arrest "is not fair."

    "They should understand that we work hard seven days a week, and then somebody comes in and robs us. If my husband is charged, crime is going to be more.

    "This will happen again," she said with tears in her eyes.

    Hawthorne, Jackson's 45th homicide victim this year, had a criminal history. He was released from prison in January after serving a three-year sentence and two years' probation for attempted vehicle theft in Hinds County. He was sentenced in September 2004.

    In 1994, he was convicted of armed robbery and aggravated assault and sentenced to three years, with five years' probation. His probation was revoked in 1996, and he eventually was released in May 2000.

    Since the Castle Doctrine law went into effect in July 2006, Hawthorne is the third Jackson robbery suspect to die as a result of a property owner using deadly force.

    Several property owners, including at least eight in Jackson, have claimed the new law's protection.

    Among other things, the Castle Doctrine says a person has "no duty to retreat" if the person believes he is in imminent danger; it protects someone who uses deadly force in self-defense from being sued.

    "The crux, the meat of the Castle Doctrine is this: You have to fear for your safety," said JPD Chief Malcolm McMillin, who also is Hinds County sheriff.

    "We're concerned about a misinterpretation of the Castle Doctrine in the application of deadly force to deal with a situation that is not covered under it.

    "There is no death penalty for shoplifters in the state of Mississippi," he added.

    "It's a failure to understand the law. If we don't make it clear in people's minds what the law says, this is going to occur again."

    Kamalbir Singh, a Jackson store owner and member of the Indian Storeowner Association, said, "I don't think they should charge (Pannu) with anything.

    "(Lawbreakers) will think we can't do anything to them now.

    "I don't think it's a good idea to kill anyone, but you have the right to protect yourself and your property," he said. "If you call the police when someone is robbing you, by the time arrive, they can't do anything."

    The shooting also points to "tension between the black community and Indian store owners," Councilman Kenneth Stokes said.

    "You have some store owners who treat black people in a very disrespectful manner. There are others who show mutual respect.

    "If we had security guards posted at these stores, we would avoid the problem you have today: one man dead and another charged in a murder," Stokes added. "A lot of these stores wouldn't be there if some in the Indian community didn't care enough to open a store in the black community.

    "But the store owners complain that police don't respond often enough or quick enough when they call. The police can't baby-sit the convenience stores. Security guards would help stop the shoplifting. ...

    "You can replace beer, but you can't replace human life."

    Apparent confusion over the law doesn't stop in Jackson: On Aug. 1, Odell Brown of Tchula called 911 twice to tell police he was going to shoot an alleged intruder.

    When officers supposedly didn't respond quickly enough, Brown allegedly shot Kevin Cooper, who was hospitalized. Later, Brown was charged by police with aggravated assault and discharging a firearm in the city limits. He was released from the Holmes County Jail on a $50,000 bond after spending four days there.

    "What really amazes me is that since this law has been passed we haven't had more incidents like that," said Ken Winter, director of the Mississippi Police Chiefs Association.

    "It may have given people a false sense of empowerment.

    "When our Legislature was pondering the Castle Doctrine, I was one of the people saying we don't need it - not necessarily speaking as director of the Police Chiefs Association, but from my own experiences as a police officer.

    "People have a right to protect their property; they've always had that right. To me, it was politicians being politicians.

    "If you catch a person breaking into your home, you have a right to defend yourself. You had it before the Castle Doctrine.

    "But what supposedly happened (Sunday night) would be the equivalent of a police officer shooting an individual for stealing beer.

    "It's a bad thing, a sad thing."

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    "victim" sounds like a real winner, the worlds a better place with out him.
     
  2. fr0ng

    fr0ng don't mind me, just passing through

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    :rofl: stupid morans.

    killing someone over beer? the clerk's life wasn't even close to being in danger :ugh:
     
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    hmm. might be something about all the convenient store robberies, many times committed by those of noggish decent
     
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    :werd: bad shoot fucking moron (If the article is accurate)
     
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    bad shoot :hsugh:
     
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    Bad shoot, but put me on the jury.
     
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    Stupid morans risking their lives to steal beer. Don't steal and you won't get shot.


    Why not, its just money. Hell, lets make it 2 of them.

    When did this namby pamby "every life is precious" nonsense get started?

    What an utterly irreplaceable human being.
     
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    I would agree that it definitely was a bad idea to shoot in this case, and the guy should be charged. But tough shit for the victim. Multiple time criminal = it was only a matter of time. Change your ways or take your medicine.
     
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    :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::hs:
     
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    In retrospect, it was wrong for the owner to shoot the guy. But I'm sure at the time, anything could have triggered him into shooting, i.e. thief gesturing into his jacket that he's pulling out a gun, or him holding an obscure object that could have been mistaken for a gun, etc etc.
     
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    hm...i know a lot of you guys would be like WTF if some arab dude cut someones hand off for stealing, but now some people are saying it was ok..
     
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    fuck that shit, if someone robs you you should have the right to kill them.
     
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    Mother Fuckin' Werd.


    What the fuck do they expect C-store owners to do? You can't forceably detain them in the store, you sure as hell aren't going to get anywhere calling the cops, and hiring a security worker is absolutely useless for anything other than jacking up ones payroll. It's a lose-lose situation.

    Granted, that was certainly a bad shoot (should have shot him in the store, and used the key phrase "I felt my life was endangered, I shot to stop the threat"), but I can understand where the guy is coming from. If you allow this shit, these fucks will rob you blind in a heartbeat. I've busted and subsequently banned people from our store, only to call other stores nearby to find out that they have had the same problems. Then the mother fuckers still come back and want to fight with you over the shit.

    And :rofl::rofl: at that pussy bullshit about "a human life not worth beer". You're right, that guys life wasn't even worth the $2.49 for the 40 of Steel Reserve he was probably trying to steal. It's a sad fact of life, but there are some people who truly aren't worth shooting.
     
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    to everyone that says you cant replace a life: would you rather have a beer or a criminal in your house.
     
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    They knew the laws. If you get your hand cut off when caught stealing you would have to be a fucking moron to steal shit.
     
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    Or starving. Like really starving, not just eating 1200 calories a day.

    Or you could have a kid that's sick, so you buy him the medicine he needs and then you can't afford rent.

    In our society people don't understand that.
     
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    WMD shirt idea: all the people I wish to kill aren't worth the cost of the ammo.

    either or fallacy... it probably has a fancier name, but it eludes me at this time.
     
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    straw man?
     
  19. Slick26

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    I hate how none of your news threads like this ever tell us where the fuck these people are from.
    Jackson? How many fucking cities in America are called Jackson? 6 million?
     
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    He deserved it, btw.
     
  21. Asses Maximus

    Asses Maximus Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns d

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    Should be right at the top; Jackson, Mississippi. Shouldn't have to read almost all the way through the article to finally find out where the fuck it is you're reading about.
     
  23. Asses Maximus

    Asses Maximus Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns d

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    I agree to that. That was the first thing I looked for when I started reading.
     
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    I always do. And when I make a thread like this, if it's not already in the copy/pasta, I add it in there right before the article.
    I dunno, it just bugs me. I like to be informed when reading the news.
     
  25. JaimeZX

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    :werd: I've made the same critique.

    Also. WTFthreadbump
     

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