A&P Still looking for a flash

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  1. wizeguy4

    wizeguy4 New Member

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    so I am still looking to get a flash although admittedly, I have not wasted more than 2 minutes on this.

    So I am set to buy a 430ex from Adorama but before I do, I figured if there was anyone here that was selling theirs to move up to a 580EXII or had a 550EX and their price was right, I would go for that.

    so if you are looking to get rid of your 550EX or 430EX, let me know your price (shipped and paypal'd) and what all I get.

    mah birffday is in a week and all I asked for was a flash or a BJ. So I can pretty much bank on the flash:rofl:
     
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    Why do you want a 430? If you really do just get it used
     
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    Hyperite Vagina Junction OT Supporter

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    430EX II comes out in a couple weeks :nikko:


    for $320 :ugh:
     
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    no monies for 580 or 580ex or 430exII

    so for my budget, the 430EX is the best flash I can afford now NEW, hence why I am looking used right now.
     
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    I just got my 430ex, I couldnt justify spending almost twice as much on the 580, It has all the features I need for now.

    one note, it does not have a PC jack, I thought it did when I ordered it
     
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    what does the 580 have that the 430 doesnt?

    other than PC?
     
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    wireless control, higher power (with faster recycle), stroboscopic, weather seal, external metering
     
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    yup, figured it was worth the extra money...i will be picking up one of these pretty soon.
     
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    I am not going to even pretend that I fully understand. But since I have the XTi, I can use the cactus triggers for wireless control. I have used the 430EX before and I was pleased with the recycle time. I am unfamiliar with stroboscopic and how or what it can do for my picture taking, as far as weather seal - well my camera is not weather sealed so I wont be taking pictures in weather that requires weather sealing. and I am unfamiliar with external metering.

    I guess it is off to google for me
     
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    You also forgot master mode.

    Unless I'm a complete retard (it's completely possible), I'm pretty sure the 430 can only act as a slave.


    But I have a 430 and I'm doing OK with it for now. I couldn't justify spending the money on the 580 and someone here had the 430 for a good price so I picked it up. Recycle time is fine for me.
     
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    Well, that's what I meant by "wireless control" since it's something the 580 has over the 430. They're both able to be slaved.

    I guess it's ambiguous though, since you might interpret it as "controller" or "controllable". But if you thought "controllable" you should've also thought "hey wait! the 430 has wireless control too! why would he bring that up in a list of differences?!"

    Guess I just should've said master. :hs:
     
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    So with the 580ex, if it is on the camera, it can fire the 430ex as a slave off camera.

    but what if you dont want any on camera flash, and you want to fire them both off camera. you still need some sort of wireless triggers right, what I mean by that is a transmitter on the camera, and receivers on the flashes? or does the canon transmitter (not sure what model its called) just transmit from the camera, with no need for receivers on the flashes?
     
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    You can use optical... i never fucked with that though and just went for the cactus triggers
     
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    i am pretty sure you would need this.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/507139-USA/Canon__580EX_II_Flash_2x.html

    however, i dont have a flash and i dont know anything about triggering.
     
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    whoa, crazy expensive.

    then I realized it comes with 2 580ex's so its not really a bad deal. you could fire a also 430ex (as a 3rd flash) with that setup right?

    my bank account hates me :hsd:
     
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    The ST-E2 (linked above) can trigger any of the off-camera canon slaves, or if you have a 580 on-camera, it can trigger any of the off-camera canon slaves. The camera body doesn't contain any triggering mechanism (some nikons do). Other slave flashes have settings to be triggered when they detect another flash. For those, you can use your built-in flash set to the lowest setting. It'll trigger the slaves, but not really show up in the picture.
     
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    not sure, but it can fire up to 8 flashes...i don't see why you couldn't add in a 430
     
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    Oh, the benefit to using the ST-E2 or 580 as the master is that it projects the red autofocus-assist grid. Disadvantage is that control is line-of-sight. Pocket wizards, cactus, ebay triggers, radiopoppers, etc all control via radio waves.
     
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    I don't have a ST-E2, but I think it can fire "unlimited" flashes on 2 channels, since it's just an infrared pulse. Where'd you see 8?
     
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    ahh, the line of sight thing is kinda a killer

    so you cant use them if you want to, say hide a flash behind a rock or something.

    I just got some cactus triggers, and for now they will do the trick. Once I start making money off my photos ill probably just upgrade to PW's

    because with the ST-E2, you can only fire canon flashes, so eventually If I get some strobes that aren't canon, I'll need a different setup anyways
     
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    This Canon 580EX II Flash 2x with ST-E2 Transmitter Kit will provide Wireless TTL flash with the combined ST-E2 Transmitter and the two 580EX II flashes. The transmitter can control up to two Speedlite 580EX slave groups in one of four channels (for a total of eight flashes). The flash ratio between the two groups can also be controlled.
     
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    from B&H

    edit: ahh tom beat me to it
     
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    Hmm, I'm not really sure what that means..

    ST-E2 -----> 580EXII -----> 3x 420/430/550/580
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    3x 420/430/550/580


    Still doesn't really make sense since it's infrared.
     
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    well the wireless controllable is not really useful to me, regardless of definition since if I weer to be triggering a second flash, my main flash would not be on camera and more than likely, not line of sight. So some kind of RF it is for me.

    So really it is about GN or maybe external metering (which I still need to look up.)

    and it is not that I WANT this flash (obviously everyone wants the 580EXII) but having no flash, makes this better than what I have currently and prolly suits my needs.

    no one wanting to get rid of a 550EX??
     
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