Steinway Lyngdorf Model D

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    Been there, seen that...
     
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    Did you hear them?

    If so, how were they?

    Official brochure released 1 day before I posted that link, I'm on their mailing list. :mamoru:
     
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    I saw them @ CES I believe... if I'm remembering the room correctly...

    I might look through my 2.4GB of CES pics tonight to see if I'm correct or not...
     
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    I don't think that they were demoed at CES, but there were probably other speakers there that looked like them.

    I read in one press blurb that the main unit was not going to have any kind of digital input which I thought was retarded, but according to the brochure it has several.
     
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    They look crazy expensive. For $1500 you can get a pair of self-correcting JBL studio monitors that will do as good of a job. Throw in a sub for a few hundred more if you want.
     
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    Beautiful speakers that would no doubt sound great.

    I love that they are using a Heil tweeter. That air motion transformer design had almost disappeared from production at one point.

    Now there are several manufacturers using that type of tweeter.
    I don't know if everyone is licensing the tech, or just stealing it.
    This is the first one i've seen that still calls it an air motion transformer.

    With most crossovers, the true center point of phase for the speakers is at an angle. This means to get the sweet spot, you literally need to be at an vertical angle to the cabinets.

    Not so with an MTM array like that Steinway. But with drivers that size, and with a crossover point of 2,000hz, the MTM "window" is going to disappear at the sides. With speakers like that, you're probably going to have special seating, right in the sweet spot, though.

    Anyone know how much they're going to sell for?

    I didn't spot a price in the link.
     
  10. Harry V. Gina

    Harry V. Gina How did your family do in Katrina?

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    Starting at $150k.
     
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    I gotta admit, I'm jealous of anyone who can afford them.

    State of the art classy design and finish. What's to not like?

    I'd sure love to hear them though.
     
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    :hsugh: Thank you.

    Anyway, all you're paying for with those speakers is the build quality and prestige. The sound really won't be better than much else out there in the audiophile bracket.
     
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    With speakers like that, it's not a matter of being better though.
    (although, I would bet they do sound wonderful)

    The super high end stuff with exotic design, has always been for the wealthy only.
    Dynaudio is my favorite brand, and they have a center channel that goes for over 10k.
    The speaker probably has around 1k of parts in it, plus cabinet.
    10k? Why?
    Because they're Dynaudio, and they can.
     
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    Which is retarded, because none of these companies are making money off extreme "high end" designs. The only company that I know of that can do this well is B&W, only because behind the thousand dollar lacquer is a true work of art in the construction. The nautilus 800 series is one of the most beautiful and intricate loudspeakers I've ever seen, and it just happens to sound exceptional. But companies like Wilson Audio and dBS just mark their shit up that doesn't even sound incredible just to say that they're "audiophile worthy". Any serious audio enthusiast would make their own loudspeakers before they pay 30k+ for some that are just decent, but beautiful to look at.
     
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    I partly agree with you there. But the Nautilus speakers aren't so technologically perfect though.
    The cabinet design is clever... But it's not such a good idea to not have a baffle around your tweeter and midrange. When you do so, the wave forms off of the speaker, and continues wrapping around the speaker until it bounces off of the wall behind it.
    The problem with that is once the sound comes off the wall and heads to your ears, you hear two waveforms of the same music, and the second delayed wave will muddy up the first direct wave.

    If you do a live end dead end setup, you can correct for that.
    But those speakers are not going to like a "hard" room.

    That's why you see a lot of full sized speakers that are 12" or more in width.

    At 12", the speaker will project the upper 5 octaves of sound with no difraction.
     
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    No no no, I'm with you. I used the B&W as an example of when you are paying high prices, you are actually getting something worthwhile. The craftsmanship in the Nautilus is what I was referring to. I simply haven't seen a more beautiful speaker in my life, and doubt I ever will. :hs:

    That being said, I've heard better sounding speakers for much less money. But I would gladly pay to have a piece of art like this in my living room that actually sounds better than a lot out there.


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    They use room correction software, so potentially they could surpass traditional audiophile designs.
     
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    You have got to be kidding me if you think that will make a speaker sound better.
     
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    Stop bitin yo' nails nga, shit's nasty.
     
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    Oh, I didn't catch that the first time.

    Yeah, they are freaking beautiful for sure.

    I think the Steinways are awesome too though.
    And if you look at the site for them, they have some sort of
    controller that looks like it may have all the electronics necessary to run the speakers built in.

    http://www.steinwaylyngdorf.com/
     
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    Depends on how the room is monitored.

    I saw a pro-sound active eq from EV, if I remember right, that had some crazy number of eq bands. Like in the order of a couple of hundred. :eek3:
    It was something like 5k for the unit.

    That sort of compensation could make an incredible difference on how a room sounded
    in a particular spot.
     
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    Yes, quite possibly. Thing is, software cannot correct acoustics that are already in place. If you have huge vaulted ceilings with sharp angles, software can't really help you there. There are several speakers out there with software such as that in the audiophile bracket, and in the ones I've heard, you cannot say the sound is better (just different). These may be an exception, but it's basically traction control on a car.
     
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    No shit, that's why I used the word "potentially". Obviously subjective sound quality is a matter of opinion, but software correction can improve the sound from an objective standpoint which may result in better perceived sound quality depending on the listener's preferences. I don't think that anyone claims that room correction is a replacement for good acoustics.
     
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    Hell, no. Room acoustics are massively important.
    Probably half of the quality of speakers comes from room acoustics.

    I used to have a friend who had the most generic pair of speakers.
    You wouldn't believe. Well he had them at what would have seemed to be truly bad locations. But they sounded great.
    The guy was a musician, and knew where they sounded best at.
     

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