Starting EC stack, routine overview, and creatine?

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  1. Wonderboy

    Wonderboy New Member

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    I'm starting an EC stack, never done it before.. Main goal is to lose as much weight as I can in the 2 months I will be on this.. I don't plan on using EC stack longer than that...

    I'm starting slow but in about 3 days I will be taking 24g E and 200 C, 3 times a day. I am going to be doing a low card diet, but either I will have a cheat day on the weekend or I might eat like a granola or something before or after the workouts...

    For the EC stack, I read this website; http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm
    for the workout routine, I am thinking of following the routine he suggested, which is located here; http://www.musclelibrary.com/fat_loss/beginners_exercise_routine.html (the Upper/Lower split)

    It's basically like this;

    Monday / Thursday

    15 minutes moderate cardio for general warmup, and specific warmup done for Lat Pulldowns and Bench Press.
    Pullups (assisted if necessary) - 3x 6 [or Lat Pulldowns - 2x8-12]
    Cable Seated Rows - 2x8-12
    Bench Press - 2x8-12
    Incline Dumbbell Press - 2x8-12
    Standing Shoulder Press - 2x8-12
    Tricep Dips (assisted if necessary) - 3x 6 [or Bench Dips - 2x8-12]
    Dumbbell Bicep Curls - 2x8-12
    Follow with 20 minutes HIIT (+ 5 min each warmup/cooldown) OR 30 minutes moderate intensity cardio.


    Tuesday / Friday

    15 minutes moderate cardio for general warmup and specific warmup done for squats.
    Squats - 3x6-10
    45 degree Leg Press - 3x6-10
    Leg Curls 2x8-12
    Standing Calf Raises 2x8-12
    Seated Calf Raises 2x8-12
    Weighted swiss ball abdominal crunches - 2x8-12
    Captain's Chair - 2x8-12
    Reverse Crunches 2x8-12


    Wednesday/Saturday

    45 minutes moderate intensity cardio




    I will prolly do the cardio only on saturday or sunday and take a day off on wednesday, and after the workouts I am going to do the cardio instead of the HIIT.. Is this a good routine to maximize the weight loss?

    Also I have alot of strenght and used to work out hardcore so I know there is some badass muscles underneath the fat. Should I take creatine to make sure I don't lose them. Usually when I'm on low carb, I can't eat alot.. I eat very little, and with the EC stack, it might be even lower. So that's why creatine might help with preserving some muscle..


    What you guys think?
     
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    do you have your diet in order?
     
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    yea like i said, it's gonna be low carb with either a cheat day a week, or a carb snack before a workout.... I dunno which one is better
     
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    you're already dedicating 6 days to the gym. Follow Pur's routine in the sticky. Do your cardio after lifting and do your HIIT on your days off. If you want a good quick "warmup" then hop on the stair master for a few minutes (3-5) and you'll be fine.

    Use creatine if you'd like. be sure to keep your protein and healthy fats up and you'll be fine.
     
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    retorq What up bitch??

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    I think this is a joke thread. :coolugh:
     
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    lol really? i'm quite serious
     
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    HIIT + EC dude? isnt that kinda dangerous?
     
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    Blade Time to swolercize

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    probably.
     
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    yeah that's what i read in the hotnfit article.. that's why i would be doing the cardio after workouts
     
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    i know the routine you are talking about, but i can't find it in the stickies
     
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    anyone looking to be a bodybuilder v. purevil
     
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    i see it.. i must've missed it when i was looking
     
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    that looks pretty hardcore for me.. I might do the one I posted for a few weeks... then try out the purevil one
     
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    wat, thats a sound routine that both noobs and experienced users on this forum have been using for a while.
     
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    there is nothing wrong with routine he posted nvm i thought that was 2 day a week routine. 6 days a week on a diet seems much
     
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    yea and i haven't touched weights properly in like 3 years.. So after a few weeks i might switch over to that one
     
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    Also i might just keep the ephedrine intake at 2 pills (8mg each) 3 times a day.. I know 3E 1C is a rule (it comes to roughly 1:10 ratio) so if i'm takin 2 E should I lower the C.. I would like to just keep taking 1 as it's just convenient
     
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    i think you should lift heavy in the 5 rep range, full compounds and skip the higher rep bullshit. this is the better way to hold on to muscle when on a big calorie deficit. imo.

    volume down, intensity up. focus on the big 4 (squat, deadlift, overhead press and bench) & remove the fluff.
     
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    yeah i mostly aim for 8 reps.. if i do 5 reps, then i might do 3 sets instead of 2... I might keep the fluff, just as a cardio component as I hate doing cardio
     
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    aight, so I took 2E 1C this morning , then another of the same dose at like 3pm... Then I took 3E 1C at 8pm before i head over to the gym. I was doing the tuesday stuff, the legs but I only got few of those exercises cuz I was so tired. Then i gave up, and head over to the cardio room and after about 5 minutes of eliptical trainer... and I noticed my heart rate was at 190 :omg:

    and i kinda felt lightheaded, and kinda of a strain on my heart area on my chest but i dunno if it was from the yesterday's chest workout... So i left but i felt so weird while walking home.. I had to lay down... i just got up after an hour and a half of laying in bed

    So in CKD, i usually eat very little, and now mixed with EC stack I can barely eat anything.. I bought whey protein today.. it's an isolate so i'm not sure if i can use it as a meal replacement but I''m gonna start at least drinking enough protein, and try to get my greens from salads... I really can't eat anything...

    So you guys think 190 is normal, I guess my threshold is 220-22 which is 198.. So i was pretty close to that... Should i lower the dose, take it easier for a while.. What do you guys think? I was really worried lol
     
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    any opinions on this?
     
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    I had a bad reaction to it a couple days in. Felt sick a whole evening and also was having irregular heart rate. discontinued use immediately.
     
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    u started off with 7E for your first day? uh, im not the resident expert but that seems a little excessive for the first time..
     
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    when i cycle EC, i usually go 25mg/200mg once a day for the first 4-5 days then 25/200mg at 8am and 25/200mg at 1pm for the following 4 weeks... every 5 weeks i take a week off and the following week it has the same effect it did the first time i took it...

    sounds like you're taking too much for your first time.

    your lightheadedness could be from lack of eating. the EC stack is not only effective because it supresses your appetite, it also speeds up your metabolism. you migth have to force yourself to eat at times, but its important to eat small meals at least 5-6 times a day. like 200 calorie meals. even if you're not hungry, your body needs food, it can't functoin without it.
     
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    yeah i felt sick but my heart rate was regular .. high but regular
     
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