all this debate about scoring really has me confused on how to score certain aspects of the ground game. alot of times we'll see the guy on bottom tie up and hang on for life (with full guard to create a stall and get the fight stood up. on the positive side the guy that was on top did no damage & scored no 'points' (other than the takedown or sweep). another positive is that the guy on bottom may also be getting the fight to take place where he wants as a result of the stand up. but on the negative side, because of the stall. the guy on bottom created a boring fight while his opponent on top may have been actively trying to attack and create action in the fight. i really think judges should keep stalling in mind and score against fighters that stall.