MIL Squad tactics in ROTC?

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  1. Casino

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    In ROTC now we are focused on squad tactics, I'm evaluated all the time as a squad leader because squad tactics are such a huge part of LDAC. Despite how much the cadre stresses we have to know this to be successful in ROTC, all the combat vets in the program say the real Army never uses the shit we do in ROTC. How true is that? Why would ROTC teach us this shit if we are not even going to use it when we graduate?
     
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    same thing as marching man....
     
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    we're getting ready to head to the field tomorrow morning in OCS to do land nav and squad lanes. theyre not evaluating us so much on the tactics used but instead on how well we control the squad and can give orders (right or wrong) that people will follow. at least thats how its like for us since they know the 90lb girl who chose AG will not be an infantry tactician.
     
  4. Julius

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    fuck squad tactics

    in wlc & pre-deployment training all of our mock missions usually ended up with us stretcher/fireman carrying people for like a fucking mile :rofl:
     
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    They are true to a point. The commissioning programs use it, b/c 1) 7-8 is the basis for military operations; 2) its provides a tangible training application to judge leadership abilities that relate to the military service.

    In active duty, as a "loggy", I did 7-8 stuff mainly back in the states for preparation for deployment. B/c the pre deployment training laid on by outside units (like IRT, or even in Kuwait (MRPI) is seriously out of touch. We also do it for training b/c as the PL it's pretty easy to have the NCOs teach, and the Soldiers seem to like it.

    Everything you need to do over there in tactics you will already have worked on in your unit, and the rest you will pick up during riptoa.
     
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    ROFLOL :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: They say that all the time. But you can't seperate the two in most evaluators eyes. If the mission goes well, then fuck you must have great command and control no?

    You either get the evaluators who link mission fluidness and completion to leadership ability.

    Or you get the evaluators that think laminated sand table kits, and 30 minute operations orders are the perfect example of "leadership".

    Good luck!
     
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    depends on what you want to branch, if you want to branch infantry.... i think you get the point
     
  8. shiba

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    Its just a display of your ability to lead troops.
     
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    so true :hs:
     
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    jesus, i remember the look on one aviation captains face at our Florida FTX when i drew my plan in the dirt with a stick. He asked me why I didn't use somebody's sandtable kit, and I told him Iv been in a combat arms soldier longer than hes been in the army and never even seen one. Seriously, what did they add that I couldn't just draw with a stick.
     
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    Also never heard of "Sandtable Kit" :noes:
     
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    you should be doing both
     
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    :rofl: i can't just picture you now drawing something in the dirt while the tac watches on with horror
     
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    I would laugh my ass off if I saw that. I agree on the sandtable kit. All that BS just gets in the way.
     
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    i just remember wondering at the time what some aviation captain had to teach me on infantry tactics. Suppose im still wondering
     
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    this thread is all quoted for truth my god... i want some PMS to read this
     
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    This is all true, but after completing the ROTC program (I am prior service) I figured out that the reason they use such out dated tactics is because it is not about the tactics at all. You and your classmates need to understand that you are learning to be leaders and ROTC as a college program has to have a predetermined curriculum, and tactics change faster than than ROTC can change. So they stick with the same out dated tactics and focus on the leadership. You will find that for the most part tactics are a small part of ROTC really, adapting and over coming the obstacles with the composure of a leader is where you should focus.
     
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    pretty much. the tactics they are using was designed for the battlefield in europe against the ruskies.

    i'm a cadet with prior service. it's fucking annoying to hear 20-21 year old MS3 and 4's with no prior service giving lectures about "this is what we do in the real army..." :ugh2:
     
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    yah, that does suck... I finally decided just to get through it... To be honest I was minimally involved in ROTC because of that. I hated all the drama and BS involved in simply doing a mission, because a senior in ROTC, who knows a little more than a private fresh out of basic of what the real army is, is talking about this is how the army does CQB and so on... just take it for what it is and get your comission...

    Don't shit on people though you have to remember most of the cadets there really just don't know any better. We had a couple of prior service guys be complete Jack asses when they joined ROTC because they couldn't just get over themselves for the couple of years they were in the program.
     
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    I have basically exempted myself and shut up for the most part being a 4-year prior 11series... The first day I said what I had to say via PT test with 94 push-ups. That and now that I am playing college club hockey I am now looked on as a turd for not participating enough in the after-hours ROTC programs. Most of the Cadets form there circle of friends around ROTC and I am just not that way because I don't even come from the state I currently live in and I am 2-4 years older then everyone. I have even been counseled already on participation for missing PT but it's like fuck I have hockey practice late at night and I am a PT stud but noone gives a shit really. They just want to be gay and pretend ROTC land is real...
     
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    i'm about 7 years older than most of MS3s and 6 years older than most MS4s :greddy:


    For most cadets, ROTC land is real

    I do participate with after hours ROTC programs, mostly to hook up with other female cadets. They are so easy to impress:mamoru:
     
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    two of our prior service guys are 28+ and they still hang out with us and shoot the shit during ROTC stuff, just sounds like you have douchebag younger cadets. we're pretty laid back around here though. i've heard from some friends at other schools that they take that shit so seriously
     
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    It's called adapting. You can't make friends with people 2-4 years younger than you? And you're from a different state? Like you have completely different values than them or something? Speak a different language?

    You've been in the "real army", yet these problems you are having in ROTC are no different than they will be back in the "real army". How easy do you think your Company CO will be on you for missing tons of PT?

    Are you getting paid to be in ROTC? If so it's priority one over any other extra curricular activities.
     
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    Of course it's the other cadets, not the dude who's getting counseled in ROTC.
     
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    they should be teaching doctrine. every unit has a different way of doing things. it may not be how the "real army" does it but it is in the FM. every class i had to teach came straight out of the FM.
     

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