Sportbikes: Why not other Japanese companies?

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  1. machine81

    machine81 New Member

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    Does anyone know why other Japanese companies like Toyota, Nissan, and Mitsubishi don't get into the sportbike market? All have extensive experience with inline 4 cylinders. I would think Toyota especially would want to compete with Honda. I know it would be hard to beat the current manufacturers at their own game, but over time I think they could definitely compete. Does anyone know of any logical reasons why these companies don't throw their hat in the ring?
     
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    Stylerod 150mph in a swimsuit :eek3:

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    I would guess it's a matter of "What can we bring new to the market that will make us money." They probably couldn't bring much. The cost of having to set up factories to build the bikes, plus designing and marketing. Most of the companies in the business now have been in business for many, many years and are already making great products.
     
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    What he said.
     
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    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    Umm.... they don't make motorcycles?

    Seriously.... the sportbike market is pretty limited. Why would Toyota want to start investing R&D dollars into what will be a financially risky investment for minimal to no return?
     
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    Me and a bunch of motorcyclists were standing around shooting the wind discussing why the fuck pipes for a motorcycle cost almost as much as pipes for cars. I can get top of the line piping for my car for less than $1000 where a full system for a bike car run more than $1000. One smart guy pointed out that there will always be more cars on the road than bikes. Economy of scale.
     
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    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    So true... look how many more Mustangs are on the road than Hayabusas. I can get a complete exhaust system for my car, from headers to H-pipe to cat-back for about a grand, give or take a hundred bucks.

    For my friend's 'busa, he's looking at about $1300, and that's a lot less piping, only one muffler, and only one header.
     
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    Stylerod 150mph in a swimsuit :eek3:

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    Supply and demand drive costs. A company that builds nice systems for mustangs might sell a few thousand a year. A company that builds a nice system for a bike might sell a few hundred. Therefore the cost is going to be much higher for the bikes parts.
     
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    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    You have a wallpaper size pic of your av?
     
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    Stylerod 150mph in a swimsuit :eek3:

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    I wish :hs:
     
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    Durn... I love the old Vincents.
     
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    TOYOTA Produces YAMAHA Engines.
     
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    Stylerod 150mph in a swimsuit :eek3:

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    I think you have your facts mixed up

     
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    Nope I am sure of that. I did my research long time ago. and talked to few ppl who are involved with Toyota/Yamaha thing. Im not saying everything is produced by Toyo but majority of the parts are. TRUST me on this.
     
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    Dude,
    I can't find anything that shows that Toyota does anything for Yamaha, it seems Yamaha helps Toyota with their engine developement and has been for the last 40 years.







     
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    This is the kind of discussion I was trying to generate. I was wondering if there were partnerships between any of the companies or if they changed their names i.e. honda/acura, toyota/lexus...
     
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    I didnt find much online either. I was fortune enough to run into a guy here in Cleveland Autoshow who had knowledge about this topic. He didnt tell me exactly what they do but he did tell me that Toyo/Yama work with each other on designs and production.
     
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    Yeah its other way around my man. Yamaha Designs and Toyota produces.
    and you are right yamaha did work with Ford and Im sure they probably worked with many other companies as well.
    Again Im not sure of exactly what parts are produced by Toyota but I was told that most of the engine parts are.
     

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