Speaker Components

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  1. russ6570

    russ6570 New Member

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    I am looking to replace the drivers in a set of speakers I have. I don't know who made them, the speaker box is nice, but I have no idea who made them and my cat jsut put a claw through one of the drivers. Who sells good speakers part?
     
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    partsexpress.com
     
  3. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Those guys are my new favorite, but I have also bought
    quite a few parts from Madisound over the years.

    But partsexpress's catalog kicks ass.
     
  4. TFunkadelic

    TFunkadelic One Nation Under A Groove

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    You can't just plop any old driver into a cab. If it's not the same driver, it will likely not sound very similar at all to the original speaker.
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    true, but the key is to get similar, and replace in pairs. Won't be the same speaker, but that doesn't make it neccessarily bad. If the enclosures are good, and he gets well-matched drivers, he can have excellent sounding NEW speakers.
     
  6. DaIceMan

    DaIceMan Jack Bauer > *.*

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    This is the reason I haven't replaced the woofers in my old Advent Prodigy IIs. I LOVED the sound of them for so many years, but the surrounds have slowly rotted away and I know replacing the surrounds or woofers will likely yield less quality sound than I so fondly remember.
     
  7. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Actually, if you can find the original drivers specs somewhere, you
    could do a remarkably good job of replacing them.

    Yes it would be "different", but if anything it would
    be an actual improvement.

    Driver quality has increased by a great degree since the vintage
    speakers were made.

    Those designs sounded well by virtue of good design and box integrity,
    more than as a result of driver quality.
     
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    I love PartsExpress, literally about 35minutes from me. I've also ordered from Madisound numerous times, excellent service, quick shipping.
     
  9. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    You live near partsexpress? You lucky fuck.
    That place rocks the hut for the hobbyist.
     
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    twistid Banged By Super Models Moderator

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    ...is one of my favorites.
     
  11. Ronin

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    given a well made enclosure how well can parts express drivers compare to prebuilt products? ive never payed much mind as a lot of their stuff is super cheap :dunno:
     
  12. ngsm13

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    As good or better? For a fraction of the price?

    It just takes times, knowledge, and skill.

    Partsexpress is an EXCELLENT supplier. They offer GREAT drivers, HUGE variety and stock. It's just aimed at the DIY'er a lot. They sell quite a bit of OEM drivers, stuff that is similar or identical to products in the mainstream market.

    Tent sale is coming up in July, 20% off the ENTIRE line-up in the catalog, as well as HUGE clearance/discount items. :) Tis a fun time!
     
  13. Ronin

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    as good.

    given 1000 dollars for a pair of speakers as a budget what kind of outcome could one expect?

    lets assume its someone who knows what they are doing, like yourself :dunno:

    floorstanding L/Rs
     
  14. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I can give you a very good and long (typical for me!) answer.

    Back in the early 90's I came up with a speaker design that just blew
    me away. I worked on it for quite some time, and in the end I was sure
    that if I started a garage speaker company, that I could probably sell
    a very high end speaker for a low enough price to attract customers.

    But I needed to advertise, of course. So I contacted a lot of my friends in the speaker building business that I have made over the years, and I got
    this answer.

    If you try to sell speakers, you have to assume a five time markup,
    or you'll be out of business in less than a year.
    That's right. The price doubles from you to the wholesaler, doubles to the retailer, and then you add one full cost/measure for advertising.

    In other words, if you did all the work yourself.
    Built the boxes. And the crossovers. And you spent 1,000 bucks.
    You could reasonably assume (if you know what you're doing!) that
    your end result would be the equivelant of a retail price of 5k.

    Over the years, I have seen a lot of speakers in that range that
    I knew I could probably match for around 1k, so I think it's the case.

    And considering that the big boys get the parts for less than you or I can,
    I think that it's probably true.

    BTW, a piece of trivia, and the reason I didn't go ahead with my "wonderful speaker idea", I contacted Audio Magazine about advertising.
    At the time they had the highest readership of any audio mag.
    For a full page add inside the back cover, and I'm talking @1991 dollars,
    it was something like a hundred grand for just a couple of issues. Ouch.
     
  15. bearsdidit

    bearsdidit OT Supporter

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    Is that a proven fact? I manage a car audio shop and I know for a fact the margin levels aren't that high.
     
  16. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I don't know about car audio.
    I only can tell you what my experience has been in home audio.

    I mean, all you have to do is walk into a high end store, and you can see the
    markup built into the speakers. Wilson Audio used to use Dynaudio
    in some of his speakers that went for over 50k.

    You can't even put 10k into drivers, unless you use esoteric ribbons that
    nobody likes anyway, because of the phase mismatch with speaker cones.

    And yeah, you can do like Magnepan, but then you have a sweet spot
    the size of a quarter.

    My Dynaudio setup, is the same (not the cabinets!) as the Consequence.
    When I put the set together, subs and monitors cost me a total of
    around 4k. And I used the better 12" woofer, the Consequence used their
    second best woofer. Well the Consequence went for over 20k at the time.
    It just seems to work that way in home audio.


    BTW, the guy who told me that was Terry, one of the head honchos at Madisound.
     
  17. ngsm13

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    You could get VERY good results, and to some people these results would be amplified because you personally constructed/designed them. I'm designing some simple 2way L/R's right now from about $200 in parts that should compete fairly well with stereo mains priced 3-5 times that.

    Hell, there is even ALL types of projects @partsexpress on their website, simple but solid projects that range in prices too!

    http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/homeaudio.html

    :)
     
  18. bearsdidit

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    good cabinets do cost alot of money... but not 16k good
     
  19. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    For sure! I actually had mine made by the cabinet maker that Audio Concepts used at the time. Audio Concepts was an up and coming speaker company that had some of the most state of the art projects available anywhere.

    The cabinets are awesome. The subs have 21 board feet of 3/4" Brazillian red
    rosewood on the sides. The monitors are traditional Rosewood veneer.

    The cabinets Dynaudio used for the Consequence were absolute
    works of art.
    Like you said though, not 16k worth.
     
  20. GSteg

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    Hook a fellow ECA'er up :o
     
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    pm me what you need? where are you located?
     
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    PM box is full :noes:
     
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