i posted this in the other forum too. my buddy offered to sell me 2 alpine E types, only the subs, no box, $100 bucks for both. good deal? shitty deal? good subs? bad subs? i'm gonna do a completely closed box as well...im not looking for a TON of bump, i dont bump rap a whole lot. also a Pioneer DEH P6400 will be the headunit as of wednesday, if that makes a difference. i drive a ford explorer.