GUN Somali Pirates take over cargo ship loaded with T-72 tanks

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  1. Iceburn

    Iceburn Made in the USA

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    Surprised nobody posted anything about this.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429663,00.html

    Somali pirates who seized a Ukrainian freighter carrying Russian-made tanks are threatening a fight to the death as U.S. ships and aircraft surround them and a Russian warship heads to join the scene.

    A U.S. destroyer and submarine, as well as other foreign vessels, are surrounding the Faina, which was carrying 33 Russian-built T-72 tanks :eek3: when it was seized by the pirates on Thursday.

    The guided missile destroyer USS Howard anchored in the area Sunday, making sure that the pirates did not remove the tanks, ammunition and other heavy weapons from the ship, which was anchored off the coast. On Monday, more U.S. naval ships and several helicopters arrived off the Horn of Africa. Russian warship the Neustrashimy, or Intrepid, is also en route to the area, the AFP reported.

    The pirates have demanded a $20 million ransom.
    "What we are awaiting eagerly is the $20 million — nothing less, nothing more," one of the pirates, Sugule Ali, told a local news agency by satellite phone. "We are not afraid of their presence; that will not make us abandon the ship or refrain from asking the money."

    Ali added that his crew of pirates were "not afraid" of the foreign warships.
    Original intelligence reports indicated the cargo — which includes Russian tanks, RPGs, and ammunition — was headed for Sudan, but recent declarations by the Kenyan government said the military hardware was intended for them, a U.S. Navy official told FOX News.
    He said the mission now is to make sure this military hardware does not end up in the wrong hands.

    "It's the type of ammo that could be 'repurposed' and used in ways other than those for which it was originally designed," the official said.
    The U.S. fears the armaments onboard the Ukrainian vessel may end up with Al Qaeda-linked Islamic insurgents who have been fighting the shaky U.N.-backed Somali transitional government since late 2006.
    "We maintain a vigilant watch over the ship and we will remain on station while negotiations between the pirates and the shipping company are going on," Christensen told The Associated Press.

    One crew member died in the hijacking of the vessel, a death Ali said was "natural," and not of gunshots and violence, Australia's Herald Sun newspaper reported.

    Christensen did not specify whether the arms were intended for the Khartoum-based Sudanese government, or southern Sudan, which was granted a degree of autonomy under a 2005 peace deal that also guaranteed the oil-rich region a referendum on full independence in 2011.
    The U.N. has imposed an arms embargo on weapons headed to Sudan's Darfur conflict zone, but the ban does not cover other weapons sales to the Khartoum government or the southern Sudan's autonomous government.

    Kenyan officials on Monday declined to discuss the destination of the weapons. Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Valentyn Mandriyevsky said the ministry was not dealing in weapons trade and didn't know where the cargo was bound.

    A spokesman for Ukraine's arms trader, Ukrspetexport, had no immediate comment. Western intelligence reports a few days ago said the ultimate destination was Sudan and that Kenya was only the transshipment point, said one Western official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was discussing classified material. He said the issue became confused after Kenyan leaders had publicly referred to the tanks as their own.

    Christensen said an unspecified number of destroyers and cruisers have joined the San Diego-based USS destroyer Howard within a 10-mile radius of the Faina.

    "The safety of the ship's crew and cargo is a paramount concern to us," Christensen said, adding additional warships and helicopters were deployed to prevent the weapons from falling "into the wrong hands."

    There have been 24 reported attacks in Somalia this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center. Last year, U.S. naval helicopters fired on pirate skiffs tied to a hijacked Japanese tanker carrying 30,000 tons of benzene after they feared that pirates might try to use it as a floating bomb in a middle eastern oil port.

    Seizing ships has become an important source of income for pirates in Somalia, which is riven between rival clan-based warlords since they overthrew a socialist dictator in 1991.


    Wonder if they were part of the WMD crew?
     
  2. Soybomb

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    How would you like to be a pirate, walk out on deck and see this coming toward you?
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  3. TL1000RSquid

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    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/new...die-say-pirates/2008/09/29/1222650990689.html

    I'm guessing when the Russian ship shows up the pirates will get their wish and all die.
     
  4. sp00n155

    sp00n155 You underestimate the insignificance of my penis OT Supporter

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    Somalians are fucking stupid. Even if they manage to sneak into all those tanks (assuming they're on deck, which surely they aren't) and fire at the Destroyer, the sub will fuck them before they know what hit them. Yet they still think they're hot shit
     
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    Car carrier they're below deck. I'm sure they have welding equipment on board though they could make some gun ports. :eek3:
     
  6. Vermincelli

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    now the trick is to convince the pirates that those are the new Amphibious T-72s and video them driving off the deck one after another.
     
  7. merlin

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    SAS will fix.
     
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    Those are US warships around it. Sounds like more of a game for the SEALs. SEALs > SAS
     
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    i say we sink them. we don't even like the russians, so fuck giving them their ship back. :o :o :o :run:
     
  10. Slick26

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    The arms were coming from the Ukraine, but Russian-made.
     
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    in for COD4 style commando raid
     
  12. ZCP M3

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    I just hope they videotape whatever happens, just to show that our military > * once again.
     
  13. TL1000RSquid

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    I don't think we are going to do anything just watching it, a russian ship is suppose to be on the way with spetsnaz
    http://www.nysun.com/foreign/5th-us-fleet-seeks-action-over-piracy/86860/
    If they were smart they'd surrender to us before the russians show up for the party :noes:
     
  14. ZCP M3

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    Damn, I wanna see those 76mm guns tear some holes in that sumbitch. :noes:
     
  15. Clusive

    Clusive Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

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  16. I am praying for a video.
     
  17. merlin

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    Thats because the SAS are invisible...

    SAS > Seals > Spetsnaz > pirates. :noes:
     
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    Jack Bauer will deal with this...
     
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    Me too :x:
     
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    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/30/europe/EU-Russia-Fighting-Piracy.php
    Problem solved.

    Russian warship demonstrates Moscow's global reach
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    MOSCOW: Russia's decision to dispatch a warship to pirate-infested waters off Somalia reflects its determination to project power worldwide. But it remains unclear what role the vessel might play in the latest hostage crisis there.
    The Russian Navy has said only that it ordered the guided missile frigate Neustrashimy (Intrepid) to the northwest Indian Ocean to protect commercial shipping lanes and defend the lives of Russian citizens.
    But there has been speculation Russia could try to free the hostages aboard a Ukrainian ship, the Faina, that was seized by Somalia-based pirates last week. Russia has dealt harshly with hostage-takers in recent years.
    The pirates have demanded US$20 million for the release of the ship and its 20-man crew, which includes two Russians. Besides more than 30 battle tanks, the ship is loaded with armaments and the pirates warn they will fight to the death if attacked.
    The seizure, analysts say, has given Russia another chance to display its might following its brief war with Georgia — which the Kremlin justified, in part, as an effort to protect Russian citizens living in two Georgian breakaway regions.
    "It's another show of the flag intended to demonstrate that Russia would protect its citizens wherever it deems it necessary," said Yevgeny Volk, the head of the Moscow office of the Heritage Foundation.
    A hostage rescue would play well with the many Russians nostalgic for the superpower status of the Soviet Union.
    Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent military analyst, said Russia might be tempted to use force against the pirates. "Neustrashimy is a well-armed frigate, which can do that," he said.
    But there was no word of any Russian forces being sent to the area besides the frigate. The ship is armed with cruise missiles, torpedoes and cannons and carries a helicopter for anti-submarine missions.
    "It's a pure propaganda effort," Volk said, arguing that a single warship would be useless in the current situation and a special-forces mission would be needed.
    Vladimir Putin, now prime minister, sought to restore Russia's global power and prestige during his eight years as president. His successor, President Dmitry Medvedev, recently pledged to deploy Russian forces on regular maneuvers worldwide.
    Earlier this month, a Russian Navy squadron sailed for Venezuela in the first Russian deployment to the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War. Its departure followed a weeklong visit to Venezuela by a pair of Russian strategic bombers.
    Deputy chief of the Russian Sailors Union, Alexander Ageyev, argued that one nation or another needs to use its navy to battle the pirates who prey on shipping off Somalia's coast.
    "They feel impunity. And it will continue until navy ships, ours or others, use force," Ageyev said on Ekho Moskvy radio.
    But others warned there is little the Russian frigate can do without risking the lives of the Faina's mostly Ukrainian crew.
    "Any attempt to use force would lead to victims among the crew," said Mikhail Voitenko, the editor of the Maritime Bulletin-Sovfrakht Web site who has closely followed attacks by Somalian pirates.
    Since Putin's first term as president, Russia has typically responded to hostage crises with force.
    After Chechen rebels seized Moscow's Dubrovka theater in 2002, taking more than 800 hostages, the government ended the three-day standoff by pumping opiate-based gas into the theater and storming the building with special forces. All 41 gunmen were killed, and more than 100 hostages died from the effects of the gas.
    In September 2004, Russian security forces stormed a school in Beslan, where Islamic militants held more than 1,100 students, teachers and parents. The fire-fight killed 333 people, nearly half of them children.
    Voitenko said the Ukrainian government should be negotiating with the pirates in the current crisis, and warning other nations not to use force.
    The Kremlin has not publicly offered help to Ukraine, and Ukrainian authorities have not publicly asked.
    The seizure of the Faina comes at a time of strained relations between Ukraine and Russia. Russia is angry about Ukraine's bid to join NATO, its threat to evict Russia's Black Sea fleet from its Ukrainian base in Sevastopol and its criticism of Russia's war in Georgia.
    During the brief period of U.S.-Russia cooperation after Sept. 11, Washington and Moscow might have joined forces to free the crew. Not now.
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said at the United Nations on Monday that an international effort was needed to fight Somali pirates. But Lavrov pointedly refrained from mentioning that U.S. warships were shadowing the Faina.
    "Russia now isn't in a mood to engage in any kind of cooperation with the United States," Volk said.
     
  22. LancerV

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    I love how the somalions say they will fight to the death, like it would be much of a fight.
     
  23. KNYTE

    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    In reality it's closer to SAS = SEALs = Spetsnaz > pirates

    Personally I'd rather deal with the SAS or SEALs on the basis that if I chose to surrender they might actually let me live, the Spetsnaz, not so much.
     
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    U.S. Officials Say Three Somali Pirates Dead After Shoot Out During Muslim Feast
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430430,00.html
    Tuesday, September 30, 2008

    MOGADISHU, Somalia — Disagreements between Somali pirates holding a ship laden with tanks and heavy weapons escalated into a shootout and three pirates are believed dead, a U.S. defense official said Tuesday. The pirates denied the report.

    The U.S. destroyer USS Howard and several other American ships have surrounded the Ukrainian cargo ship Faina, which was hijacked Thursday and is now anchored off the lawless coast of Somalia. The pirates have demanded a ransom of $20 million and the U.S. Navy cordon aims to prevent them from taking any of the weapons ashore.

    The official in Washington who reported the shootout spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record. He refused to elaborate and said he had no way of confirming the deaths.

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    But the pirate spokesman insisted the report was not true, that his colleagues were just celebrating the Muslim feast of Eid al-Fitr despite being surrounded by American warships and helicopters.

    "We didn't dispute over a single thing, let alone have a shootout," pirate spokesman Sugule Ali told The Associated Press by satellite telephone Tuesday.
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    "We are happy on the ship and we are celebrating Eid," Ali said. "Nothing has changed."

    The Islamic feast marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan.

    Earlier Tuesday, Andrew Mwangura of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program cited an unconfirmed report saying three Somali pirates were killed Monday night in a dispute over whether to surrender. Mwangura said, however, he had not spoken to any witnesses.

    Elsewhere in Somalia, pirates freed a Malaysian tanker Tuesday after a ransom was paid, according to a Malaysian shipping company.

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    Pirates of peace
     
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    A gaseous form of oxy? :eek3: I can has?
     

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