WEB So you want to start a web site...

Discussion in 'OT Technology' started by Kewlb, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am currently 27, but started creating for profit websites around the time I was 15. I am going to lay out the very basics for getting your web investment up and going.

    (#1, #2, #3 may be skipped if you have enough seed money)

    #1 -- Learn a programming language (ASP, vb.net, c#, php) -- or at least learn how to "hack" a language so you can take bits and pieces from multiple samples to create what you want.

    #2 -- Learn the basics of creating SQL Queries

    #3 -- Learn basic HTML design (or for $100-$200 you can oursource your design on rent-a-coder).

    #4 -- Brainstorm for ideas, research these ideas, find your competition, learn everything there is about your idea.

    #5 -- Register your domain name -- build your idea and domain name around marketability -- if you can't market your idea it WILL FAIL.

    #6 -- There are lots of free dynamic dns services -- signup for one and point your domain to your cable/dsl connection -- have one of your desktop computers run the website until it is established.

    #7 -- Once you outgrow your cable/dsl connection (bandwidth wise -- not money wise -- make as much as you can before you are forced to pay for hosting / colocation / dedicated servers / virtual servers) look for a hosting company (If you can't afford co-location I suggest virtual servers).

    #8 -- Do not take profits from your site -- dump the money back into marketing it and watch it grow.

    If for some reason you fail you are only out the cost of your domain name and the time you put into the site development -- start back at step #4.

    It took me 15 sites before one was profitable -- however I had a lot of fun with all of them.

    You might also want to create an LLC. You do not have to have a registered agent if you use your home address. It will cost you about $200-$250 to create the LLC -- but the benefits far outweigh the costs. If anything, you can at least use it to write off expenses.

    If anyone has any questions I would be happy to answer them.
     
  2. marcom10

    marcom10 ...

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    4,096
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    CT
    learn photoshop.
     
  3. intrktevo

    intrktevo New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2004
    Messages:
    5,781
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UCF
    If you work with a partner choose wisely. Not doing so can ruin everything.
     
  4. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree.. I *STILL* have a partner w/ one of my companies called MDP Enterprises, LLC which I resented for a long time. I came up with the original idea, did all the work, all the planning, all the coding, all the web development and gave him half of the profits for the longest time. Why might you ask? Because I needed money to purchase a server after I outgrew running it from my house.

    Be very carefull when choosing a partner for any venture.
     
  5. tryfuhl

    tryfuhl New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Messages:
    75,450
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    MD/DC Metro
    Good advice but I'd say just get cheap hosting to start with. I wouldn't trust the uptime or even bandwidth of most broadband ISPs especially with the throttling that they do on upload.
     
  6. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    a lot of time cheap hosting just does not work right unless you have an offsite development box w/ an sql server. A real programmer is going to want to have a machine w/ sql server and dev apps dedicated to just the programming/development.
     
  7. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    :werd:

    i had a partner on a porn site, I got all the girls, I got all the traffic coming in, I was the mouth piece on the site and he kept all the money and fucked me and the girls on payment
     
  8. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am not calling you a liar, but this sounds highly improbable. How did you manage to get in on a business deal -- one that, if you made money, had to be reported to the IRS -- yet you had no legal recourse?

    I am going out on a limb here -- but I am guessing there were no legal documents signed -- no legitmate LLC/CORP -- and the income was probably not claimed. If so, let this be a lesson to others -- if you engage in any kind of activity online that deals with providing work for and or partnering with someone else please remember, at the very least, have a partership agreement signed and notarized by all parties involved.

    Link to a basic free agreement: http://www.ilrg.com/forms/partnership-agreement.html
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2008
  9. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    Erm...
    Some of those are really bits of bad advice.

    Hosting is so cheap now that trying to have a dedicated server at home is a mistake for so many reasons. One, speed. Two, cost. Three, reliability. This simply is not a good idea. For the cost of the server, you can easily get hosting for well over a year.

    I also disagree with idea of brainstorming for ideas. While many are successful by stumbling upon ideas, very few are successful when they approach it from the "I want to run an online business, but what should I do, let me think about it for a bit!". If you are going to start and run a business, you should be passionate about the business you get in to. If you are passionate about mule fur, start a website about mule fur. You will be far more likely to succeed doing that than running through various ideas.

    You missed an MAJOR bit as well. Design. You could have the best product on the net, but if people are turned off by your design, you won't succeed. At the very least, it will be far more difficult for you to succeed. Design is a major part of marketing and it isn't something to be taken lightly (though to most, it is at best, an after thought). You don't use HTML to design, you use HTML/CSS/etc to IMPLEMENT design.

    Even if you have seed money, it is a good idea to handle as much as you can yourself and use the money for marketing and operating. I don't care how good your ideas are, chances are, you know jack shit about how to effectively market it. That is where wise expenditures come in to play. If you're going to hire someone, hire a marketing guy, not a coder. You can learn to code, it is much more difficult to learn something like design or marketing which have inherent creative factors that someone either has or doesn't have. You can't learn creativity or creative thinking.

    I'm not trying to be a dick, but your post made you sound more like the 15 year old you claim you were rather than the successful 27 year old you claim you are. There are some good points, but if someone were to adhere to your bullet list completely, it would be to their detriment. If I misunderstood and it wasn't and EDU so much as a stimulus for discussion, then rock on.

    That is what we are all here for.
     
  10. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    i never said i didn't have legal recourse, i chose not to go that route, the site was up for about 6 months, I took it as a lesson and not worry about court

    i had finished up an almost 3 year court battle with pepsi and i did not want to go into another court situation over such a small amount

    i left the site with the girls that i brought onto the site ,nd started up my own site on my own, i had all the emails from the customers and i was doing all the traffic, so it was not like i was starting from the beginning with nothing, i had all the resources, he was the one that had to start from scratch
     
  11. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    Pics of hottie porn chicks? Nudes of them?
     
  12. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    :rofl::rofl::rofl: i have a few, i may get around to posting in otah, but once i stopped doing porn sites, i got rid of most of the shit i had
     
  13. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    PM :x:

    or bs.
     
  14. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Anyone who would blindly take a 250+- character post as their only basis for starting a business should be shot in the head. I do not have the time, nor would I, for free, give extreme in-depth advice on this subject. These are mere basic guidelines -- with a the main focal point being that you have to have the entire picture in mind -- not just be a coder / designer / or someone with money to burn.

    You took my "brainstorming" quite literally. I highly doubt someone would just sit down and start trying to come up with things off the top of their head -- especially things they might not consider themselves highly knowledgable in.

    I figure everyone has a good idea of what is or is not a good web design. I would also further hope that anyone who comes up with a design has it tested -- at the very least by friends and family -- to see how usable the site is.

    The post is not meant to be followed exactly and is suppose to spark discussions such as these. I figured most people interested in a post such as this would have enough common sense to come up with the points you brought up by themselves.
     
  15. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    gotya. Hope it worked out well for you.
     
  16. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    the girls trusted me and that helped
     
  17. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    you got a pm
     
  18. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    No breasticles =(

    But A for followthrough.
     
  19. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    That is an awful lot of assumptions. =/
     
  20. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    lol that is what i had uped to my photobucket account that i had that they didn't delete of her :rofl::rofl:

    the rest was deleted because of nudity
     
  21. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    Pfft.
     
  22. Pepsi1975

    Pepsi1975 Mod of the Year

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2005
    Messages:
    47,590
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Detroit
    photobucket fucked me and deleted 50+ pics i had on there, because i was using them to host a banner i was using on myspace to get web whores fotr adult sites and someone must have complained and they went through my account and deleted alot of my good shit :wtc:
     
  23. dawgboye

    dawgboye I'm a businessman who's commodity happens to be co

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    7,971
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    A Smart Part of Town.
    lol, you got owned.
     
  24. Kewlb

    Kewlb New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2002
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes -- if I tried to take too much into consideration I would still be writing the original post.
     

Share This Page