So what's the deal with Ephedra?

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  1. ZeeMox

    ZeeMox Opinions are like assholes. Fuck em. OT Supporter

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    I missed all the hubub. Are there any supps that still use it? What are these horrific side effects that made everyone remove it from their formulas?
     
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    a. you can still buy ephedra just not in diet pills
    b. some people abused the shit out of them taking way to much and or were unhealthy to begin with and died
    c. if ya want it just buy the ephedra pills and take them, no big deal
     
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    Details on deaths?
     
  5. cls

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    I don't take it anymore because of the withdrawl effects I experienced.
     
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    Formz Hipster Santa OT Supporter

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    People with unknown heart conditions popping them like they're fucking tic tacs.

    Take one, see how you feel. Increase dosage if your body is okay with it. Don't just immediately take the max dose.
     
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    BlinginAssRims Now I'm blaumped out

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    the deal with ephedra is that it fucking rules.
     
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    Yea increase dosage over a couple days to let your body adjust unless you like jittery shakes and an uneasy stomach. Drink water - a couple of people died from a combination of being unhealthy, popping them like candy, and becoming dehydrated on top of it...
     
  9. cls

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    The most publicized case - the 23 yr-old orioles pitcher - died the day he took 3. I think there's plenty of people in this forum that have taken them that frequently.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/17/eveningnews/main540848.shtml

    Not saying the drug should be banned, but we shouldn't treat it so lightly when it's been linked to over 1,000 deaths.
     
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    1) They never said how many.
    2) You don't know the heart health of the pitcher.
    3) You don't know what else he was taking.

    Don't just automatically assume it was 3.
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    I would bet 99% of the world doesn't know there heart health. Unless you have had a full exam of your heart just done recently
     
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    you missed those parts in your highlight. Plus it never said that was all he took and doesn't say the size of the pills. Once again they don't know his heart health.
     
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    He was fat and out of shape and running in very hot weather. He pops three tablets (of unknown dosage, presumably 25mg.) Yes, it's stupidity that led to his death not exactly ephedra.

    I can drink myself into comatose but lets ban alcohol. Not blame the stupidity of the person.
     
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    asprin kills way more....it's still legal. :dunno:
     
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    Look I'm just trying to say that we should exercise caution when using this drug. Doctor's have linked it to some deaths so there's obviously some risks involved in certain situations. Maybe this professional athlete was fat & out of shape :)rolleyes:), but even if he was, I'm sure there's people on this board thinking about taking this drug that have a similar health profile.

    I don't think anyone here is a doctor and few of us know our detailed cardiac health, so let's at least agree that this is a drug where you should exercise caution and not necessarily a great option for everyone to use in pursuit of looking good with our shirts off.
     
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    True... but your post does make you sound like one of the alarmists that had ephedrine banned in the first place.

    http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=229smart2

     
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    It sounds like it might be a bad idea to use ephedrine if I'm doing HIIT...

    Anyway, so would getting something like Hydroxycut as it is now, then tossing in some ephedrine on the side give me the same effect as the old Hydroxycut?
     
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    Sorry didn't see that part. I'd still have a hard time believing it.

    And lancer, you're a douche bag.
     
  21. cls

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    These stats are very misleading.

    Of course there's way more alcohol incidents then ephedrine incidents... because everyone between ages 11 and 105 drinks alcohol! Not that many people take ephedrine.

    The drug most likely isn't going to instantly kill you, but it is a drug and a powerful stimulant. It has been linked by the medical community (which t-nation is not a part of) to some deaths, so it seems wise to use some caution. It seems that in some situations, it can cause death or stroke with even relatively normal use... like in the article I cited.
     
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    simple answer

    if your healthy and take a reasonable dose not a big deal

    if you have a heart issues or take a stupid ass dosage you might have troubles (just like taking too much of anything) and if you have heart issues you shouldn't take any stimulant
     
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    People that died from it probably deserved to... in terms of being idiots. :noes:











    Watch me keel over in the next few months from a heart attack.
    In Canada we can only buy them in 8mg tablets which I actually prefer so I can cycle the dosage. I usually take either only 8 or 16mg.
     
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    I always recommend half tablets for the first week or so to get used to the feeling..
     
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