and fuck did it hurt. my piercer didnt have any 8g jewelry that i liked so i was we decided to go with a 10g quartz septum retainer. i went to get a bite to eat came back and he said he forgot he doesnt have any 10g needles.. so i said fuck it I wanted it done, we used an 11g needle and stretched it to 10g. the initial piercing instantly made my eyes poor water my nose run and my throat itch enough that i couldnt stop coughing. the stretch was not as painful but long and drawn out and created more coughing and eyes watering. my piercer Jim told me i have the hardest septum he's ever pierced, he said it was like going through leather and he had to really put some muscle into the initial piercing. hopefully the larger gauge will cause this one to bug me less. the last time it annoyed me so much that i took it out after only a few months. i'd take picture but literally all you'd see is two little glass looking booger drops peeking out of my nose. i'll post pictures in a few weeks when i get some custom jewelry. we also consulted about my tongue splitting. looks like sometime before the end of the summer i'll be getting a tad more reptilian.