Smith Machine Squats

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  1. Kriger

    Kriger cool beans

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    I just recently started doing squats (done them twice now) and i've been using the smith machine.

    Eventually, i want to just do them freely... I was wondering how much of a pussy i'm being not just doing them freely to start off with??? Is it much harder, what are some differences..
     
  2. shlongsta

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    You can hurt you lower back pretty easy doing squats on a Smith Machine.
     
  3. Kriger

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    as far as the actual excercise... other than it's easier to injure myself, am i losing out anywhere in motion, or muscle gains?
     
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    go straight to BB.

    yes its harder, because you are using many more stabilizer muscle's instead of letting the smith do the stabilization for you. you'll also lose out on training your CNS to properly use those muscles
     
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    yeah, i see what you are saying... i definitely don't want to be missing out, I guess I'll just do them without the smith next time... My legs were sore as fuck the first time I did it, last time they weren't as bad... I should be okay with just doing it freely, either way I'll see how it goes
     
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    Just FYI don't try to do the same weight on free BB as you were on the smith machine, you might end up doing FTG squats
     
  7. Kriger

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    ill start off low, wont kill myself ... i'm assuming i have to get the stabilizer muscles ready for more weight first anyway...
     
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    there's that, and the smith machine is counter weight, so the bar weights pretty much zero, which isnt' the case with free weights
     
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    How would you do that? Your back doesn't even move.
     
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    You're not bringing your lower back into the equation because of a lack of front-to-back motion in the smith squat. You'll hit your legs harder on the smith, but a barbell squat will involve more muscles.
     
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    Some people who don't know better try to emulate a BB squat on the Smith, rather than a straight back like they might do with a ball squat against a wall. Then you always have people who use too much weight.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6vcyQqx_Q
     
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    Yeah... that would hurt. Don't do that :hs:
     
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    This remains my favorite youtube video of all time.
     
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    The shearing forces on the knees and lumbar spine are increased by the fixed line of motion. The lifter conforms to the machine, and not vice versa. Human motion is dependent on subtle adjustments to joint angle positioning; the body will always want to compensate in the most advantageous position possible. Fix the feet and fix the bar, and the only ways to get this compensation are inappropriate knee tracking and, more dangerously, loss of the neutral spine position.
     
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    i laugh everytime i see that clip.
     
  16. cls

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    So the assumption is that you're making subtle adjustments to get the weight up, which puts your spine in a dangerous position? You can't say that the smith machine is necessarily more dangerous for your back... it's only if you're taking your spine out of the neutral position, which you aren't necessarily doing.

    That being said, I think leg press is a better alternative if you refuse to free squats.
     
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    Well i really want to do squats... So i think im going to switch to a free BB then.. the way you guys made it sound convinced me that I'm not really even "squatting" in a technical sense of using all the muscles and stuff when I do it on the smith machine... so i should just start doing it freely
     
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    Yeah I wouldn't let the elitists get you down. You're not squatting in the powerlifting or olympic lifting sense, but you are working your legs. Switching to free back squats would be an excellent move. Prepare to have your flexibility and back strength challenged.
     
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    Elitists because we are telling him that smith squats are bad for him? :ugh:
    Why are you still posting?
     
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    regular bb squats onto a low bench and/or front squats are a good place to start

    check your ego and go as light as you need to in order to use the proper form
     
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    naw man. even thats more than he needs to worry about.

    just regular good old ATG squats, no bench/box/plates/whatever.
     
  22. Kriger

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    word. thats the biggest thing.. throwing 2 45s on and not seeming like a little wimperooni... but i suppose its better to have good form and lower weight than bad form and too much weight
     
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    :rofl: :werd:
     
  24. cls

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    Right, all smith machine squats for every person done any way are always bad.
     
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