MIL Simultaneous Membership Program and ROTC

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  1. Casino

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    I'm thinking about doing the SMP program with ROTC so I can be enlisted in a National Guard unit while in college and in ROTC. When I graduate I would be switched to active duty. Anyone know anyone who's done this and how it worked out?
     
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    I know a person who was in the air guard and ROTC. HE liked it because he wasn't contracted so he had ZERO commitment until the day of his commissioning so if they decided to yoink his polit slot he could have just walked away. the big thing is that you end up missing some training because of drill weekends and you won't be able to contract and collect a stipend and you may not be able to get a scholarship either.
     
  3. I have a friend in NG and is SMP w/ ROTC. Drills one weekend every month, you become a citizen of that state if you need to for cheaper tuition, can get some more $$ for school or whatever else, more experience, and you are less of a bitch officer when you commission and your soldiers may respect you more knowing you went to boot and all that and were at some time where they are now rank wise, you didnt just hop to the top.
     
  4. Casino

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    That sounds good, I might do that.
     
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    I read you could contract as your usually would and still collect the stipend.
     
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    I was enlisted in the army NG until I contracted SMP. I like it and the money is worth it. Make sure you really consider the decisions though active army tends to place you where you are needed as an officer, at least in the guard you get to chose as long as there is room.

    as an SMP you can:

    -get the same stipend

    -Some states will give you financial aid through the guard

    -you can get full boat scholarships (but you will need to chose, if you want to go SMP then to get a scholarship I think you have to go guaranteed guard, and for the active duty scholarship I think you cannot be a SMP check with the cadre.

    - any enlistment bonuses you had will most likely be lost when you contract SMP (just a heads up)
     
  7. Don't promotions in the Guard work more like if there is a spot open you move up if not you stay the same rank for years? At LDAC this year I saw specialists that were in for 13 years....That was the deciding factor for me to try and go active the best I can.
     
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    haha something tells me that spec. was a shitbag....especially if he was working LDAC....

    as for promotions, yes many times you have to wait for a slot to open up to get promoted but you can also transfer units when to get promoted and I have even seen people transfer states if there is room. You could probably also go guard and then active later guaranteeing yourself the job you want. Not sure if it will work though
     
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    I'm a citizen in MD, but I'm in school in PA most of the year. My school isn't a state school so tuition is the same for in state and out of state students. When I enlist in the PA NG, would I have to register as a citizen in PA and all that? Would I still be registered as a citizen in MD if I registered in PA?
     
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  10. from everything i've heard going reserve/guard to active is harder than expected. perhaps AGR is easier i dunno.
     
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    So I could ride out my enlistment, do ROTC to finish my masters and have a job in the ANG in Houston at the same time, and commission without even doing OTS? Why shouldn't I be doing this again?
     
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    probably, Army does some stuff different than AF. AF is trying to cut down on their numbers and the Army is pretty much throwing money at people.
     
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    as far as I know rotc doesn't work for grad students.
     
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    sure it does. grad students just do the 2-year program instead of the 4 years. just have to talk to the detachment to see if they offer the 2 year. i start my masters in spring as well as 2 year AFROTC.
     
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    Ya, my friend is just starting grad school and Army ROTC
     
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    I talked to my ROTC instructor about SMP. He said he recommends it if I want to be in the NG once I commission. I told him I want to be active duty when I commission and NG during college. He said I shouldn't do that then because it is very hard to get transferred from NG to Active Duty. Dammit. How hard is it really?
     
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    almost impossible as a 2nd lieutenant. little bit easier as a 1lt though.
     
  18. Casino

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    Why is it so hard?
     
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    so long as your NG commitment ends before you commission you should have no trouble getting into active duty.
     
  20. raand

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    from my experience I would recommend that if you know now that you absolutely want to go AD that you just drop the SMP and just do ROTC. You can get a AD scholarship if you have the grades and with that contract you can drop your guard contract. You will be guaranteed to be active and have to deal with a lot less hassle. Also just a heads up if you do try to stay NG and then go AD later if your command finds out they may just stop training you... When my CO and PL found out I was switching units they stopped really attempting to train me and I was just kind of there at drills until I transfered.
     

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