GUN Shots Fired in Salt Lake City Mall

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  1. thedude11

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    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/12/D8N8IDKG1.html

    :mad:

    I really wish I could get the AR/AK that I've wanted for a while, but I just don't have the money to spend on it.

    I'll be :mad: if a AWB comes now with the Libs in control...
     
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    It says shotgun not assault rifle.
     
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    It's still an attack with a gun. They'll ban the scary stuff.
     
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    They'll never ban shotguns.
     
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    I'm not worried about them banning shotguns.

    My point is with these attacks happening all the time now(or so it seems), I won't be surprised to see the Dems in control push for another AWB.
     
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    They're going to push for it anyway. A guy shooting up a mall with a shot gun isn't going to make a difference.
     
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    News story this morning confirms it was a teenager with a shotgun. He killed 5 people and wounded 4. Some of the wounded are in critical condition. He open fired on police officers and they blasted him.

    Now, what good is an assault weapon ban going to do? The 18 year old kid can still go and buy a shotgun and commit the same identical crime with or without an assault weapon ban. Chances are he would cause more damage with a shotgun in a mall than an assault rifle. I am shocked he only managed to kill 5 people.

    People who commit crimes don't care about the law. Regardless of the law they will find the weapons to commit violent acts. Now, last time I checked, I had to be screened by the FBI in order to receive my AR15. Do you really think that criminals walk into a gun shop, fill out the legal forms, do the FBI background check, and then go out blasting away? Maybe, but highly unlikely.

    Anyways, here is the CNN news story.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/13/salt.lake.shooting.ap/index.html

    SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A historic mall's winding hallways became a shooting gallery for an 18-year-old gunman in a trench coat who fired a shotgun randomly at customers, killing five and wounding four before being killed by police, authorities and witnesses said.

    The shooter, whose name was not released, also was armed with a handgun and had several rounds of ammunition, Salt Lake City police Detective Robin Snyder said early Tuesday. No motive has yet been determined, she said.
    For hours after Monday evening's rampage at the Trolley Square shopping mall, police searched stores for scared, shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe escort. (Watch witnesses recount gunshots, carnage [​IMG])

    Marie Smith, 23, a Bath & Body Works manager, saw the gunman through the store window. She watched as he raised his gun and fired at a young woman approaching him from behind.

    "His expression stayed totally calm. He didn't seem upset, or like he was on a rampage," said Smith, who crawled to safety in an employee restroom to hide with others. She said the gunman looked like "an average Joe."

    Killed were two 28-year-old women, a 52-year-old man, a 24-year-old man and a 15-year-old girl, Snyder said. Four people were hospitalized -- a man and a woman in critical condition and two men in serious condition, Snyder said.
    'A barrage of gunfire'

    Matt Lund was visiting his wife, Barbara, manager of the Secret Garden children's clothing store, when he heard the first shots. The couple and three others hid in a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.

    "We heard them say, 'Police! Drop your weapon!' Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire," said Lund, 44. "It was hard to believe."
    They say officers treated everyone like suspects -- ordering those hiding in storerooms, bathrooms or under stairwells, to lie on the floor with their hands on their heads until police were sure no one posed a threat.

    On the way out, Lund said, he saw a woman's body facedown at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids and a man's body on the floor in the mall's east-west corridor. "There were a lot of blown-out store windows and shotgun shell casings all over the floor," Lund said. "It was quite surreal."
    The victims were found throughout the 239,000-square-foot shopping mall.
    Outside, streets were blocked as police swarmed the four-block scene. Dozens of people lingered on the sidewalk, many wrapped in blankets, as they talked about what they had seen inside.
    Four police in shootout with gunman

    The two-story mall, southeast of downtown, is a refurbished trolley barn built in 1908, with a series of winding hallways, brick floors, wrought-iron balconies and about 80 stores, including high-end retailers such as Williams-Sonoma and restaurants such as the Hard Rock Cafe.

    Antique store owner Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman, he said, was backed into a children's clothing store.

    "I saw the shooter go down," said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

    Four police officers -- one an off-duty officer from Ogden and three Salt Lake City officers -- were involved in the shootout with the gunman, Snyder said. She provided no other details.

    Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

    "Then we heard shot after shot after shot -- loud, loud, loud," said McKeown, saying she heard about 20. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was safe to leave.
     
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    We need to ban stupid emo kids
     
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    :werd: Problem solved.
     
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    Too bad nobody there had CCW.

    - Related hypothetical question: There you are, a CCW-holder, in that mall, in the very store where Emo Kid starts shooting, perhaps only 20-30 feet from him. Clearly you could claim reasonable fear for your life / the lives of those around you and engage the target. HOWEVER, let's say he was in "Sears" and you're next door in "The Man Store" when you hear shots fired. Could you legally move to intercept? :dunno:
     
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    I don't know... but I would be very surprised if you got in trouble for intercepting and disabling the threat.:dunno:

    I sure hope you wouldn't because that would be my choice, most likely.
     
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    If there had been one person with a CCW he wouldn't have killed nearly as many.
     
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    I would have loved to get a crack at some asshole like that.
     
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    Legally that varies state to state. In Florida you can use deadly force to protect yourself or others, basically "putting yourself in thier shoes, from forcible felonies such as rape and murder . . . and airplane piracy. Though if you are a CCW in the mall in a different store, how sure are you that you can get over there and get a shot in a mall full of panicing people who are going to go even more nuts when they see a second person with a gun? I doubt I would go into a store after him, I may setup and wait for him to come into my line of fire, or I may decide that my responcibility is to myself and my friends and family that are with me (and I won't do them any good if I fail at being a hero.)
     
  16. t1h

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    in my state, if a business has a sign stating no concealed firearms permitted on property, then you can't have a concealed firearm. so if you had pulled out your firearm to get the shooter, when the police arrived, you'd then be charged with carrying a concealed weapon, which is a misdemeanor.
     
  17. cjj92yj

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    props to the off-duty Ogden city police officer. Official report out just a few minutes ago on the local talk radio is that he was the first one to face up to the shooter. Sounds like it took a while between the time he confronted the shooter and the time the cops actually got there. So it easily could have gone on longer if it weren't for him.
     
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    This is the one more likely to fuck us, they say he used an AK pistol :dunno:
    http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/16685969.htm
     
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    If it were shotgun blasts I probably would. I would try and count shot so I know when the thread may possibly be reloading. I would also be as cautious as possible and spring the element or surprise.

    Related hypothetical question: Let's say you did manage to blast the shooter and you keep your gun drawn incase he is going down with other EMO kids Columbine style. I am pretty sure the cops would light your ass up on first sight. :wtc: :noes:
     
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    That's true as well!

    I also just realized that our shopping centers ban guns. So, even if I did have a CCW it would be illegal for me to bring the gun in. I guess if I did break the law and stop the felon, the worst that could happen (assuming they don't slap murder charges on me) would be a $25 fine for violating the CCW permit rules.

    I am pretty sure in Minnesota the hero would be made out to be a the bad guy.
     
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    This is what I was referring too. However, first offense is a $25 fine. Then its a petty misdemeanor, and then goes up from there.

    But, I would be more than happy to be charged with a misdemeanor if it meant I saved the lives of other humans. And, I find it highly unlikely a jury would convict someone on those charges if they really did eliminate a threat.
     
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    Next time the person will just use a sawed off shotgun that fits in a duffle bag. ;)

    Sounds like the shooter was fucked out of a lot of money. :wtc:
     
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    Didn't think of that last part... :eek3:
     
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    I'll never understand how someone who gets told they're going to be killed within the next two minutes still complies with the bad guy. If someone told me they're going to shoot me after I tape up everyone else I wouldn't just do it thinking maybe the person would change their mind.
     
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    Officer may have prevented more deaths


    By PAUL FOY, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago

    SALT LAKE CITY - An off-duty police officer having an early
    Valentine's Day dinner with his wife was credited Tuesday with helping stop a rampage in a crowded shopping mall by an 18-year-old gunman who shot five people to death before he was killed by police.

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    A day after the shooting, investigators struggled to figure out why a trench-coated Sulejmen Talovic opened fire on shoppers with a supremely calm look on his face.

    The teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.

    Ken Hammond, an off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City, jumped up from his seat at a restaurant after hearing gunfire and cornered the gunman, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived, Burbank said.

    "There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of numerous other people," the police chief said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070213/ap_on_re_us/utah_shooting

    You'll never see that printed in any news outlet because it furthers the cause for CCW.
     

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