Sex Edu In Public Schools?

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  1. Dahlia

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    I was on the way to work this morning, and on the radio they talked about the addition of a new piece to a sex ed class in a school. They were going to add a "consequences" board game and a Condom trial, where they took a real mold of a penis(not a banana) and showed the correct way to put on a condom.

    Needless to say there was a big uproar about it that they were taking things too far. Parents would call in and say it wasn't their job, they were too young(7&8th grade), that it should be abstinence only teaching, so on and so forth. Some parents felt it was a good idea, (one guy called in and said that while he didn't have kids, he still had trouble putting on a condom perfectly right and that everyone could do to learn how to do it). Some parents said that If they knew, they might as well be safe about it.

    And another guy was in uproar about his sister getting on BC at 15 years of age.

    Now, I was just wondering what everyone's take on this is and hoping we could start a good discussion, as I know people have siblings/children, or just what they feel should go on in schools today.
     
  2. iwishyouwerebeer

    iwishyouwerebeer you shut your cunt Moderator

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    All I'm going to say is that I think parents should be instilling basic sex practice talks to their kids around 12/13. I don't care for the "you should be abstinent!" talks because I just know at this point everything in society is pressuring and making kids believe they should be having sexual relations younger and younger.

    All I care is that they are safe. Get the girls on BC or at least familiar with it and instill boys to always wear condoms, etc. etc.
     
  3. XaPU!M

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    Parents are retarded. SOOOOOOOOOOO many parents preach their beliefs and try to blame everyone for their shitty parenting and say that the government or schools or whatever should teach this or do that to help their kid. But when a school actually tries something they bitch about the opposite.

    Kids are going to learn these things from 3 sources.
    1. Friends, so it won't be even be accurate
    2. Parents, who tend to feel awkward about it and don't actually teach their kids a damn thing (my talk from my parents was when I went to spend the weekend with a girlfriend "Remember, no glove no love!" :rolleyes:)
    3. Schools, who will teach it properly. Won't sugar coat anything. And won't mislead the kids.

    Option number 3 is the best in my opinion, though number 2 really should be
     
  4. MattThom01

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    parents need to realize that kids are having sex WAY WAY sooner than they think.

    And yes...the ideal time to teach this stuff is early, when puberty starts taking place.

    And as far as the BC...people forget that there are other valid reasons for a girl starting on BC besides the obvious one.
     
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    good points, Matt.

    I remember that in my district, they were at risk for losing funding if they taught anything other than "abstinence only," but the teachers thought it was so important to learn the other things they did it anyway. We learned all about different forms of bc, and our teachers became an open source for communication if you had any questions. It was really very good. We also learned, of course, about all the nasty STIs you could get, and about pregnancy, and they werent teaching us how to have sex, but it was still good. They never did teach us how to put condoms on, though. Boyfriend learned that one from reading the packaging, and I learned it from him.

    We started having a "family life" class in 4th grade where we learned about puberty and all that jazz, and then in middle school we started talking about sex. That was for the best, because i knew people that were doing it back then.
     
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    I never got "the talk" from my parents, I guess they expected my older brother to fill me in. :dunno:



    I did get lectured about pre-marital sex my senior year in HS when a gf's mom caught us. Luckily I was smart enough to know that you wore a condom during sex, which I learned from watching porn on the 'net. :rofl:
     
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    Unfortunately, I think a lot of parents these days are doing their children a disservice when it comes to their sex ed responsibilities. Too bad the schools have to pick up the slack but really.... someone needs to be sure they have accurate information.

    I started early with my kids and there are a lot of good books around to help parents know about what age to explain certain things.
     
  8. Vanilla Tarantino

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    Abstinence teaching has been shown to be ineffective. From reports I've seen, not only are those that are taught abstinence just as likely to lose their virginity before marriage, but they are less likely to take precautions such as using BC or condoms.

    Schools need to be teaching this information - their purpose is to educate so let them do it and do it properly since many parents won't. 12/13 is when kids hormones start raging, so they need to know what precautions to take (since chances are they'll figure out how everything works anyway and if they discover it for themselves, they won't be careful) but at the same time know the consequences. Here, especially with STDs, is where I feel the schools fail the most, even the most detailed sex ed programs. Just thinking of some of the recent posts here in the vag, I believe nearly 75% of respondents said they never get tested for STDs (some claiming that they would have noticed if something were wrong), and there are other threads asking about the symptoms or lack thereof from certain infections. Kids don't learn how widespread these diseases are, they don't learn that they can have them even if they show no signs, and they don't learn what to do if they feel they may have contracted one. STDs are a topic that is kept taboo and needs to be relieved of that stigma at an early age.
     
  9. Marix

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    I agree 100%

    Parents should do it first on an individual basis - explain the basics of sex, pregnancy, birth control and STDs to their children. Sure, they cay encourage them not to have sex, but there is no way they can actually CONTROL it. The best they can do is to instill the right values in their child so that if/when they *do* have sex, they will be sensible about it.

    "Just don't do it" is a TERRIBLE approach. They don't listen and then they don't have the correct knowledge to deal with things when it does.
     
  10. Phantom Empress

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    Parents don't always make the best teachers, so having PROPER sex education in schools is a must. You aren't EVER going to stop teens from being curious and having sex, even with all tha"abstinance training" you give them.

    As mcuh aas it SHOULD start inteh home, it won't 100% of the time, so yes, school need to teach kids how to use and put on a condom, teach about birthcontrol, Show the reproductive process in all of its gory details like live birth, episiotomy, cesarian birth, STD, AIDS. they need to teach that open communication is THE means to SUCCESSFUL relationships, sexual or otherwise. Teach about consent, rape, Date rape and sexual coersion in relationships.

    Sex ed when i went to school was a joke, but ti did teach a fair bit. thankfully I was already having talks and asking questions to my parents and they were good enough to tell me things without candy coating them and being straight with me from an early age.
     
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    it should be mandatory. it should be open. and it should be broad spectrum, but not deep on anything but the safety portions (ie. they should be teaching kids about condom safety, birthcontrol safety, etc. but not teaching how to tie a perfect knot :naughty:)


    and yes, parents should be filling in the gaps that are left in the school system's education. people as a society need to become more comfortable with sex, and communicating sex at all levels (social, parental, within relationships).
     
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    So how do you all feel about using an actual form of a penis to show proper condom use? I know one big issue is that it could as easily shown on another inanimate object.

    I agree with all of you, and that most of this is stemmed from religion, which their ideals should be kept out of school so people can be educated properly. I don't know how many of you saw the movie "Jesus Camp", but one scene is with a mother homeschooling her children, and says "Did you get to the part yet where they say that science hasn't proven anything?" when they are discussing the subject of science. We have all these kids that know nothing and are so uneducated about the modern world. It's quite sad.
     
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    if we can look at a fake plastic penis then where are girls going to be when the day the real thing comes along? They then don't know how to put teh condom on so they do it wrong or don't use it. We have graphical representations of penises and vaginas in books, why can't we have them in 3d too as a teaching tool?

    it's not like it going to be a veiny penis with balls and hair. just a plastic erect penis where you can properly display and practice putting a condom on. bananas aren't a good substitute either..
     
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    7th and 8th grade is too late imo

    a decent portion of those kids have already had sex
     
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    was he upset because she waited so long?
     
  16. iwishyouwerebeer

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    BTW, I would be fine with a realistic-looking penis being used in the classes. Hell of a lot better than a banana.

    I only hope they are using an average-sized penis and not some 7 incher that will make girls disappointed when they see a 4 incher irl :mamoru:
     
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    no, because she was supposidly deemed a "slut" for being on it, and how wrong it was.

    lol...... too bad porn has also skewed that image!

    I for one can't wait for the younger generation to take the majority, I think things will change for the better.
     
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    There is no guarantee the school will teach it properly and with the current abstinence only education it's almost certain they won't. Sex education is the duty of the parents, not the schools. When I have kids I will be sure to opt them out of the school's sex ed classes. South park has a pretty good episode on this. Sex is a spiritual thing and is something that should be taught by family, not textbooks. You have no idea who could be teaching your kids about sex... be it a complete idiot, a pervert, or a religious nut (as in my case.)
     
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    When the schools need to do your parenting for you, you've failed as a parent.

    It's sad that some parents simply refuse to be parents and the school needs to step in and teach their kids about life for them. Because of this some kids do need the classes, but all they're teaching them right now is "don't have sex" and "watch out for AIDS." They need to start teaching real life facts and advice. It's this lack of guidance by schools and parents that causes teen pregnancy.
     
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    well, welcome to America, where people SUCK at doing the right thing. People SUCK at parenting their children a lot of the time. AND not every parent has the resourses to get graphical models of the reproductive system or books with pics for reference. Also A LOT of those parents are miseducated about sex themselves. It's NOT a perfect world, and while YES, It needs to start in the home, it'd be best if every one was on a level playing field knowledge wise in the world of sex.

    AND, at my schools it was comprehensive sex ed. they DID say the safest sex is no sex, but tehy taugh safer sex, showed al teh methods of birth control and stressed use of condoms (male and female condoms at that!), Dental dams for safer oral sex and intercourse-free safer sexual 'petting", ""mutual masturbation" and the like.
     
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    I feel that parents today need to start taking responsibility for their children and stop expecting schools to parent their kids. I am sick and tired of seeing kids that have real potential growing up and fucking up their lives before they really even start because their parents don't have the guts to just sit their kids down and explain to them about life. I'm not just talking about sex but drugs and alcohol as well. I saw so many kids turn into heroin addicts in my high school because their parents were either too busy or hard core Christians that are afraid to bring up anything that wouldn't be rated PG with their kids. I'm not saying that people should have sex or do drugs/alcohol, just know the facts about something before you indulge. Smoking a little pot/drinking isn't that big of a deal as long as you realize that you have responsibilities and that they come first. Specifically about sexual eduction: it is my opinion that schools shouldn't have to teach sex-ed because parents should have that shit covered. I understand that there are always going to be pussy ass parents that are afraid to talk about sex with their kids. My parents just left it in the hands of the school to teach me about sexual education and I had such a warped view of sexuality for so long that I think it does more harm than good. Thats just my two cents.
     
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    I would agree with you if schools weren't preaching this anti-sex propaganda and actually taught kids something worthwhile about sex but that never happens.
     
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    Yea, I started it because I heard it being talked about on the radio, and some parents were really upset and against it.

    And I was just wondering what everyones take was on here, if people were more open minded, and if they weren't to maybe here a good reason on why it shouldn't be taught.
     
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    I don't really consider sex to be a spiritual thing. It's a natural human activity required for reproduction. Other animals do it too and I'm sure they're not driven by spirituality. Honestly, I wouldn't have felt comfortable with my parents showing me a model of a penis and putting a condom on it. I'd be much more comfortable with one of my teachers doing it.

    Plus, a parent is probably going to be more biased and abstinence preaching than a school is.

    "So this is how you put on a condom...but really, just don't have sex at all. Please. Just don't."

    A school teacher is more likely to give the facts. As someone said earlier, they say something like, "No sex is the safest, but if you're going to do it wear a condom," and all that stuff.
     

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