Server side programming

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  1. FloppyCock

    FloppyCock New Member

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    If I want to make a web application, what, in your opinions, is my best bet?

    I've looked into JSP and PHP, but neither really appeals to me. Is there a way to just do it with C++ or Java, or should I just bite the bullet and use PHP?
     
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    would help if you explained what you wish to accomplish, and who your target user is.
     
  3. kingtoad

    kingtoad OT Supporter

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    I'd say do it in JSP if you already know Java pretty well.
     
  4. FloppyCock

    FloppyCock New Member

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    As of right now, I'm not really sure which direction I want to take, I just know that I want to learn. I'll definately be connecting with a database (probably mySQL).

    I currently have .NET, and like it, so I'm considering ASP (pretty much the same as JSP but in C#, right?). Basically, I'm a clean slate, and I'd like to hear your opinions on the following: ASP, JSP, and PHP.
     
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    I would never use JSP. ASP if you're windows-only and cant stand PHP... PHP if at all possible.
     
  6. Peyomp

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    http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov

    Watch this, then pick. This is the best comparison of the top web application frameworks that you will find.

    Note that it takes him 7 minutes in Rails to accomplish what took many hours in Java. Watch this, explore your options, and then make an informed decision based upon each pacakge's capabilities and your needs.
     
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    Thanks for the link, I'll watch it when I get home.
     
  8. Peyomp

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    And I would never use PHP or ASP, but unless I can justify my opinion then I haven't contributed anything to this thread. Its just a brand war.

    Try this: why would you never use JSP?
    Why would you prefer ASP to JSP?
    Why would you prefer PHP above all others?
    How can you say any of this when you don't know his application requirements?

    And okay, at this point I'm just flaming you. But its constructive flaming. :p
     
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    All you do is flame, and none of it is constructive :ugh:
     
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    Actually, all you do is post one liners and none of it is informative.

    In this case I have posted the best link in existance on the internet to inform the poster what tools to choose to solve his problem. In addition I have chastised you about posting the same old justificationless PHP bullshit. try to actually help people, instead of screaming coke or pepsi, mmm-kay? Your time will be better spent. I know its hard to think, but try.

    You chose to reply to ONLY the last line of my post, and NONE of the part where I asked you to be more helpful. Its kinda pathetic, but hey we're used to that from you ;)
     
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  11. kingtoad

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    Irony.
     
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    what server are you going to run? I like ASP.NET but you have to run IIS with it, though there might be an apache module or something, i havent looked into it. If you like java, you should love C# because they are very similar.
    Check out this site for some more info on PHP vs ASP.NET
    http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/hull_asp.html
     
  13. Peyomp

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    The nice thing about jollyogre is once you prove him to be the sniveling little know nothing trolling bitch that he is, he goes away instead of continuing a losing arguement with more shit. Gotta love that.
     
  14. P07r0457

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    ?

    No, it's called being the bigger man. You continue with nonsense, and I go do more constructive things...

    How many fucking threads do we need pointing out why PHP is so great (as if it's popularity wasn't a good enough indication)... Do a search already.
     
  15. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    get a life you two... seriously. quick hijacking threads with your meaningless IT bickering. Nobody benefits from name calling.

    Bottom line: you can build whatever web app you want, in any language you want. At the end of the day, whatever you use streams html to the client. Programmers use what is comfortable to them.
     
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  16. FloppyCock

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    After reading through this thread, I've concluded that PHP is probably my best bet. I'm just gonna bite the bullet and learn it.

    Any recommendations on a good IDE?
     
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    I have used Zend Studio and it was okay. Dreamweaver is popular. I like Visual SlickEdit, personally.
     
  18. CyberBullets

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    Depends on how big the project is for me and if i have to do package management or dealing with a cvs server.

    if its something big, eclipse with PHPEclipse plugin, otherwise I just use EditPlus2
     
  19. Peyomp

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    Eclipse with the PHP and Web Tools Platform plugins will validate your HTML and PHP as you go. And you can setup the run config to push it to your web server and direct your web browser to it.
     
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    Agreed. And what it really teaches you is this: whatever language you use, PHP or Java or whatever... don't reinvent the wheel.
     
  21. CyberBullets

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    that's right don't reinvent the wheel! invent the hover car instead :o
     
  22. johnny872005

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    php all the way :p
     
  23. saberman3000

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    php...definately php.

    easier to learn, does not need much hardware, compatible with everything and the best of all...open source

    :coold:
     

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