GUN Selling my pistol over the internet.

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  1. Mighty

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    I have a buyer, but I have no idea what I have to do. Do I have to ship from one FFL to another or can I use UPS or some shit to ship to their FFL?
     
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    I did FFL to FFL when I sold mine.
     
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    Ask if "they're" FFL will accept a pistol from a "private party". If that is the case, you can ship directly from a courier to their FFL. You will have to look up the legalities of your carrier of choice. I've always used FedEx for sending my pistols out to my gunsmith. Google is your friend here.

    If they're FFL does not accept from private party. You will have to find an FFL locally, you can probably go to a gunshop you like/trust. Ask them to process a transfer, and they will set it up for you and charge you a transfer fee and shipping fee. You'll spend anywhere from 50-100 depending on what they charge you and your courier method.
     
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    you can ship via UPS or fedex to their dealer but some dealers will only accept from another FFL. shipping through an FFL will usually be a lot cheaper. i sent my gun to a gunsmith across country and it cost like $70 through UPS
     
  5. Mighty

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    My local FFL wants $75.
     
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    75 for the transfer and I'm guessing "overnight" shipping is about rite.
     
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    If it's a handgun, $75 for transfer & overnight shipping (pretty sure they require overnight for handguns) is a good deal.
     
  8. Denich

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    wait a sec, when you guys sell a firearm privately you have to go to a dealer and get your dealer to ship to the buyer's dealer????
     
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    If the person purchasing is in a different state, yes. If they're in your same state, then all is well.
     
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    well good to know that some things are a bit simpler up here, we can ship person to person across the country
    but with that being said gun laws up here still suck :( no ccw ftl :(
     
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    i've never heard of any laws that state that you have to bring your gun to a dealer to ship it to another dealer. some dealers will not accept from non-FFL holders but that is their policy, not a law.

    As a rule, USPS will not allow non-FFL holders to ship. UPS and Fdex will allow private parties to ship but you have to use their respective overnight services.

    my local FFL charges $20 to ship handguns. :coold:
     
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    I didn't want to go into all the technicalities of it with him. What I wrote was just a vague simplistic explanation.

    And USPS allows not handguns period, IIRC.
     
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    I wonder how buds gun shop.com got away with mailing every handgun I ever bought from them via usps
     
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    Pistol Transfer

    You can use any service but USPS to ship a pistol. You need to overnight it to his FFL.

    If you have your dealer send it, he can send it as above and including USPS.

    There is nothing that says you have to have an FFL ship your gun to another FFL, just some FFLs policies like was said before.
     
  15. spankaveli

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    From http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1103548

    I highlighted the appropriate areas for you.

    11.0 Other Restricted and Nonmailable Matter
    11.1 Pistols, Revolvers, and Other Concealable Firearms
    11.1.1 Definitions

    The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:

    a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard.

    b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

    c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or that may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

    d. Other firearms capable of being concealed on the person include, but are not limited to, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles.

    e. Short-barreled shotgun means a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long. The term short-barreled rifle means a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long. These definitions include any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled shotgun or rifle of greater dimension may be regarded as nonmailable when it has characteristics to allow concealment on the person.

    f. Licensed manufacturer and licensed dealer mean, respectively, a manufacturer of firearms or a bona fide dealer of firearms, duly licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury, under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), 18 USC 921, et seq.

    g. Antique firearm means any firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898, or any replica thereof, if such replica:

    1. Is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.

    2. Uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
    11.1.2 Handguns

    Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and 11.1.6.
    11.1.3 Authorized Persons


    Subject to 11.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person's official duties:

    a. Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.

    b. Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.

    c. Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.

    d. USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.

    e. Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.

    f. Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.

    g. Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e.
    11.1.4 Affidavit of Addressee

    Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 11.1.3 must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee's official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:

    a. For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.

    b. For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.

    c. For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.

    d. For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e, Authorized Persons.
    11.1.5 Manufacturers and Dealers

    Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

    11.1.6 Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers

    A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 11.1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major component parts thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms.
    11.1.7 FBI Crime Detection Bureaus

    Handguns may be mailed without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6 if:

    a. Addressed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or its director, or to the scientific laboratory or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers or officers of a state, territory, or district authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment; or

    b. Offered by an authorized agent of the federal government as an official shipment to any qualified addressee in categories 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, or to a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms or to a federal agency.
    11.2 Antique Firearms

    Antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces may be accepted for mailing without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6.
    11.3 Rifles and Shotguns

    Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.
    11.4 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms

    Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of rifles or shotguns. Contact the nearest office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further advice.
     
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    Also, before anyone asks about USPS and rifles & shotguns;

    11.3 Rifles and Shotguns

    Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.
    11.4 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms
     
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    FFL Dealers and firearms manufacturers are allowed to ship USPS.

    FFL Dealers/manufacturers do not have to use Overnight to ship pistols.
     

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