MIL SECAF and CSAF asked to resign

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  1. jmx2323

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    cliffs: Minot's inability to function as perscribed as cost the 2 highest AF officials their job
     
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    Yeah cause it was all Minot's fault. It was the MUNS Sq that fucked that up.



    By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer


    WASHINGTON - The military and civilian chiefs of the Air Force are resigning, U.S. officials said Thursday.

    Defense officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Defense Secretary Robert Gates asked Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne to step down.
    A public announcement was expected later in the day.
    There was no immediate word on who would be nominated to replace Moseley and Wynne.
    Press secretary Dana Perino said President Bush knew about the resignations but that the White House "has not played any role" in the shake-up.
    Moseley became Air Force chief in September 2005; Wynne took office in November 2005.
    Wynne is the second civilian chief of a military service to be forced out by Gates. In March 2007 the defense secretary pushed out Francis Harvey, the Army secretary, because Gates was dissatisfied with Harvey's handling of revelations of inadequate housing conditions and bureaucratic delays for troops recovering from war wounds at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
    The Air Force has endured a number of embarrassing setbacks over the past year. In August, for instance, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country. The pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.
    The error was considered so grave that President Bush was quickly informed.
    Moseley later announced that in response to flaws exposed during the nuclear weapons error, the Air Force would change the way bomber crews organize for their nuclear training mission.
    Gates also has been trying to learn more about how fuses for Air Force ballistic missiles were mistakenly shipped to Taiwan. Gates was briefed last week on the conclusions of an internal investigation of that matter but the results have not been made public.
    Four cone-shaped electrical fuses used in intercontinental ballistic missile warheads were shipped to the Taiwanese instead of the helicopter batteries they had ordered. The fuses originated at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyo., but the mix-up apparently occurred after the parts were shipped to Hill Air Force Base in Utah.
    In another incident, the Pentagon inspector general found in April that a $50 million contract to promote the Thunderbirds aerial stunt team was tainted by improper influence and preferential treatment. No criminal conduct was found.
    Moseley was not singled out for blame, but the investigation laid out a trail of communications from him and other Air Force leaders that eventually influenced the 2005 contract award. Included in that were friendly e-mails between Moseley and an executive in the company that won the bid.
    "It is my sense that General Moseley's command authority has been compromised," Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said at the time.
     
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    Minot failing this last base inspection pretty much sealed it
     
  4. evan2

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    not reading all that but MUNS doesnt load weapons

    weapon troops do

    though muns should be tracking all that shit
     
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    andymodem Ambitious, but rubbish.

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    Sounds like the rare instance of shit rolling uphill. :o
     
  6. evan2

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    Gen Mosley is a good guy too, met him like 6 years ago and have his 3star coin
     
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    I cant help that 2 cops got caught lookin at porn/playin games on there cell phones in the WSA.

    Last time I checked weapons loaders fell under MUNS
     
  8. evan2

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    Thought they were flightline troops in a mxs style squadron...who knows
     
  9. evan2

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    EvanderTwo: like nigs that load bombs on planes
    EvanderTwo: thought muns just transported and stored
    coulda: no
    coulda: loaders are loaders
    coulda: ya
    coulda: muns = 2W0X1

    From the mouth of a Muns Staff....step your game up son
     
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    before it rolls right back down. :mamoru:


    How the fuck do you send nuclear fuses instead of batteries? :dunno:
     
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    Sorry SON, my bad. Thought loaders were MUNS, cause the MUNS CC was the first to get arrested and canned.
     
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    not to mention they were corrupt and fixed a thunderbird contract. "integrity first" huh...
     
  13. evan2

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    Well he said it was everyones fault as muns brings the weapons to the flightline and the nuke guys should be there with them and then weapons guys take and load them

    they work in an AMU squadron
     
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    It sucked being up there when that happened. They still have crews from Barksdale filling in because they are qualified and well Minot isnt anymore :rofl:
     
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    As an AMMO troop, it is everyone's fault. The AMMO troops there grabbed the wrong can apparently, and it went to the loaders who work in the AMU who apparently dont know the difference between the weapons they work on. The pilots should have done an inspection and caught it before they took off too. So no one in the entire process at Minot is innocent and there is plently of blame to go around.

    But lets not forget, in addition to the nuke deal, we have lost a B-2, 2 T-38s and how many other planes in the last year? I would say that probably had something to do with it as well.
     
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    Don't nuclear weapons have markings on them saying they are, well, nuclear?
    Airforce brass is fucking retarded, specially at the top levels. I hope they keep cutting their funding for the Raptor and other shit they don't really need.
     
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    Not gonna lie we have had a ton of class A mishaps this year so far, i dont know what the deal is overall. But changes sometimes can be good, too bad Gen Looney is retiring becasue I would give him the Mosleys job.

    This is gonna make tomorrows DUI CC even better
     
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    haha I said the same thing at work today.
     
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    Damn it, its time to get him to stay on for one more tour
     
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    exactly this will not effect anybody on a daily basis for a while if ever.
     
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    Someday I'd like for things like this to be my business.:x:
     
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    Latest in the Rumor Mill:
    Mike Donley is expected to be nominated for SECAF. Given it's an election year, he may only be named 'Acting CSAF'. This avoids Senate confirmation, and would keep him around until the next administration takes over.

    For the next CSAF, three names are floating to the surface:
    Gen Norton Schwartz - USTRANSCOM/CC
    All Airlift and SOF experience, zero fighter time. My money's on him.
    Gen Kevin P. Chilton - USTRATCOM/CC
    Given the emphasis on nuclears ops in firing Wynne and Moseley, he may be a good candidate. He also has Astronaut and International Affairs background, which gives him experience not normally associated with CSAF.
    Gen John D.W. Corley - ACC/CC
    The traditional candidate: Fighter Pilot running ACC. Under normal circumstances, the job would be his. But these are not normal times...
     
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    I hope it's Schwartz. Then we could all make Spaceballs jokes.
     

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