Scientific Experiment!!!

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  1. Solus Emsu

    Solus Emsu ****** U N R A T E D ! ****** -----THAT'S HOW I RO

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    That's right. All the nice guys of OT get in here.

    I, ThunderCat (Solus Emsu), will be conducting an experiment. This experiment has been claimed to work, but I want to put this theory to the test. The experiment, you ask?

    The Deacon Effect

    That's right.

    Over the next month or month and a half I will update you on the progress of girls. Some of which I will meet by being a complete ass hole too, and the others I will be the nice guy, and see which method is most effective.

    I will post updates and full details in this thread to see what really works.
    Understand I am doing this just to see what happens. Now if I can get pics, I will post them. But if not, don't ask me. I want you all to see if the Deacon Effect is real. Let's put this nice guy vs. ass hole issue to rest.
    Once again, this is just too see what happens when I act both ways to women, this is not a literal experement.

    ThunderCat/Solus:
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    Keeps getting deleted, so I am not updating my pic every other day.
    Learn to live with the sexy red X.



    Summary:
    I'm going give direct links to the post instead of typing it out because I am a lazy fuck.

    Disclaimer and shit:

    http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost.php?p=17696910&postcount=20

    Highlights (if that is what you wanna call them):

    http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost.php?p=17734947&postcount=39
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  2. Kinks

    Kinks Sup. OT Supporter

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    I would be keen on seeing how this fascinating project of yours pans out. Meeting 6 chicks can't possibly hurt either, so go for it :)

    I'd join the challenge to double the data but I really can't be arsed meeting 6 chicks :p (any wonder why I'm single?)
     
  3. johan

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    OK, now we're talking. Let the freak show commence!!


    (Not to nitpick, but you're actually measuring a confounding variable, not the main determining factor. Physical attraction is the main variable, personality is a secondary variable. But this should still be interesting anyway)
     
  4. Chris87

    Chris87 flatoutperformance.com

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    Nice. :bigthumb:

    How old are you? How old will said girls be?
     
  5. CString

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    I like this experiment. I'm a proud supporter of the "chicks like assholes" idea b/c well...I'm an asshole and I get way more chicks than my nice friends.
     
  6. HoodRich

    HoodRich Professional Street Nigga OT Supporter

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    assholes rock!
     
  7. chica&buddies

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    this shall be interesting... :rofl:

    still... :rolleyes: assholes = :nono:
     
  8. illmatix

    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    First, we should define "asshole" and "nice guy". If you're going for the two polar extremes, I don't think you'll have any success whatsoever. I'll go ahead and contribute my understanding of the definition of each based on our context.

    "Nice guy" - Doormat ass-kisser type. This guy is chiefly characterized by the fact that he places others' opinions of himself equally to or even above what he thinks of himself, he will be seeking validation from whoever he is with. He'll most certainly be on time to the date... if he's late he'll definitely have a well-thought out sob story about why he was late and he'll be sure to tack on a long-winded apology. He'll likely agree with everything the girl says and almost never take an opposing viewpoint in conversation. He'll compliment her, do things for her, and try to pay for everything. He'll probably share some feelings and he'll disclose everything about himself when asked. He's very unlikely to put any moves on the girl in fear of not being "proper." After the date is over, he'll likely call her soon after to talk about what a great time he had and to hopefully secure a date for as soon as possible. He may call more than once per day, but when the call is in session, he'll be less likely to end the conversation before the girl does. In the end he'll probably get dumped trying to claw his way into her heart. Basically, this is the cuddly carebear type of guy that would do anything for his infatuation, including making personal sacrifices to be with her.

    "Asshole" - "Don't give a fuck"-type. This guy is chiefly characterized by the fact that he knows exactly who he is, what he wants, and he could give two shits about what you think of him. He doesn't hang around people for approval or emotional support, but simply for his own entertainment. He'll probably be at least a tad bit late to the date. If the girl calls him on it, he'll reply with either a smart-assed comment or a light joke that almost avoids the question entirely. When on the date, the "asshole" will prod his date a little bit by teasing her or making fun of things she says, does, or wears. He will probably be checking out other chicks, but not in an obtuse way, just casual glances that she may catch once in a while. If she calls him out on any of his behavior, he'll quickly put her in her place (Humorously, if possible) and he's ready to walk out at the drop of a hat. Conversation will be light and humorous, almost any time she asks him a personal question, he'll reply with a joke answer or other smart-ass retort but he'll never play into her games... he'll set the stage for everything that goes down. He probably won't utter a single compliment the whole date, and he won't call for at least half a week after the date. During telephone conversations, he'll pretty much always end the call prematurely because he's too "busy", and everything will happen at his pace. Basically, this guy is running his own show, if you want to be a part of it, great, if not, move the fuck out the way because he doesn't have time for your bullshit!

    Now I've left alot out since I'm writing this as I'm eating a Subway sandwich, but I think you get the basic idea. If this is the angle you're shooting from, I'll tell you right now that you'll have almost zero success as the nice guy but you'll get some action as the asshole. Peace be with you.
     
  9. DSAzeppelin

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    I mostly agree with matix...even though...there are always exceptions to every rule, but he basically got the gist(jist?) of it. However nice guy doesn't mean Doormat Ass-Kisser...and think that majority of nice guys dont fall under that category, only the extreme ones. I like being a nice guy though...hate being rude to people, but am by far not an ass-kisser or a cuddly carebear...as this probably goes for most people under the "nice guy" category.

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    Back on Topic:

    This experament seems interesting, even though there are many different outside variables that mess with the final results(each personality changes the whole data), but would be fun to see the results overall...just make sure you people keep in mind there are a lot more factors involved then just being nice or rude. :)

    Thundercat have fun I guess *shrugs*
     
  10. HoodRich

    HoodRich Professional Street Nigga OT Supporter

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    I really am the asshole arent i
     
  11. illmatix

    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    The label "nice guy" and "asshole" aren't fair in my opinion... these "nice guys" are the ones that coined the terms and it has commonly stuck in conversations relating to the subject. Nice guys think they're being "nice" when they kiss ass and conform to what the woman wants, but they're completely missing out on what women need from their men. All that ass-kissing shows is that they're weak alone and need someone else to make them feel good about themselves. So what I've provided is no dictionary definition of what each is, but rather what kind of person we're commonly referring to when we use the terms in this context. The "Asshole" I've described above isn't necessarily an asshole for real... but he's referred to as an asshole by the "nice guys" while they have their cute widdle girl talks with all the girls they've become "friends" with. I'm sure you've seen more than one post on here made by "nice guys" right after they talk to a girl "friend" who is dick whopped on some "asshole". They think that by always being there for the girl and kissing her ass and supplicating to her behavior that they'll tire of their "asshole" boyfriend and jump to the groveling sissy-boy pansy "nice guy." (And these aren't my words fellas, that's how women think of you when you always kiss their ass) Women want men... not sissies.

    Of course, if you act like a real asshole (ie: loud, obnoxious, mean, cruel, antagonizing, disrespectful, etc.) you'll get a drink dumped on your head.
     
  12. Raggity Man

    Raggity Man Lets share the milk of human kindness

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    an experiment actually worth doing for once, is their gov. support on this one? ha, have fun with it cause the results should be interesting
     
  13. TylerF

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    Nice guys go out of their way to give chicks everything they want. "Assholes" don't. It's that simple...
     
  14. Grape_Ape

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    should be interesting
     
  15. Solus Emsu

    Solus Emsu ****** U N R A T E D ! ****** -----THAT'S HOW I RO

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    I probably should give a little background about myself and a little more info about this experiment.

    I'm 23 years old. The girls' ages will not be a factor in this (except they will be 18+ of course).

    I consider myself to be an average joe in looks. I would rate myself a mid 7 to low 8 on a scale from 1 to 10. I am clean cut, not fat but not thin, medium build, and 5'9" 174 lbs. Dark hair and semi-dark skin. Nothing super attractive, but still presentable.

    During this test I will evaluate the reaction to confrontation and follow-ups to confrontation (i.e. phone convos, first dates, etc.)
     
  16. Solus Emsu

    Solus Emsu ****** U N R A T E D ! ****** -----THAT'S HOW I RO

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    This is basically how the difference will be measured.
    I will get more into this in a minute.
     
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  18. Raggity Man

    Raggity Man Lets share the milk of human kindness

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    ha, good job der man. i havent gotten sex from being nice yet, but it damn attracts alot more women imo
     
  19. Solus Emsu

    Solus Emsu ****** U N R A T E D ! ****** -----THAT'S HOW I RO

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    For this experiment:

    The "nice guy" will compliment, buy things for (dinner, etc.), show up on time, call after 2-3 days (if number is given), and hold doors open. Basically doing what he can to impress the girls in question.

    The "ass hole" will not compliment her, will not pay for anything, will show up late, will call a week or more later (if number is given), will not hold doors open. Basically doing what he can to not care what the girl thinks at all.

    The idea is to see how far you can go before the girl will not put up with any more.
    Yes eventually boths sides will of this will get extreme (for science). But this is to test how far each side will go. While I am acting like a "nice guy", when is the time she will officially find me too boring? Right away? Later on? When? Same way with the "ass hole". How much of an "ass hole" can I be before she decides that I am a rude son of a bitch and is discusted with me? Right away? Later on? When?




    *Disclaimer*


    Understand this is for sake of experiment and I am not out to harm anyone. I will not let this get out of hand. I promise. But if a girl gets pissed off at me, that is part of the experiment and she will get over it.

    At NO time will these girls know that this is an experiment.
    I don't care if you think this is harsh or not, because it is for the greater good.

    As for your opinions right now on which will work and which one won't work,
    As for your philosophy which one is moral and ethical and which one is not,
    I don't care.
    This is not a debate, this is an experiment.
     
  20. Bavarian3

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    aight kool enough talk get to work now buddy! go experiment!
     
  21. johan

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    I think the chief metric should be mean number of days between first introduction to girl and sleeping with her.
    This will allow you to test H0 and H1 with a quantitative metric.

    The idea being asshole --> statistically significant shorter time to sex
    nice guy --> longer time to sex, including no sex.

    There is nothing immoral or unethical about this little "experiment". Tcat is simply highlighting two different aspects of his personality. There's nothing particularly wrong about it.

    Anyways, these girls can take care of themselves.

    Tcat isn't out to hurt anyone, and it could be argued that he isn't doing anything that any old guy wouldn't do (dating behaviour).

    All he's really doing, is keeping better notes.
     
  22. TylerF

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    Bro, your experiment is the greatest thing ever to happen to mankind. The asshole will prevail and "niceguys" everywhere will cry. i t will be a sad yet jouyous day. for everone., good. you said six girls? you will get assf rom three and the thethree nice guys will not. suck s to b eyou and odesnt suck at the same time. superb.
     
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    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    Should be interesting... it sounds like you're going to be a real asshole though, if you wait more than a week to call girls back, some will get pissed off. You're going to cut some of your success right there, but it'll still be more effective than calling right away. I think you should change the callback time for the nice guy to 2 days or less, because 3 days isn't obsessive at all which is one of the biggest turn offs for women characterizing "nice guys." Also, talk about body language... how will the nice guy hold himself compared to the asshole?
     
  24. Nice guys can't be assholes.

    It's just not our nature...

    To be an asshole it has to be natural and easy... you have to TRY and be an asshole and think about your actions so you won't seem natural...

    So this experiment will fail.

    Sorry... :hs:
     
  25. illmatix

    illmatix Diamond Studded Member OT Supporter

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    I've known a couple wussbag nice-guys that turned themselves around into very confident and stern pussy-magnets. The key is how you perceive the world and your place in it. Do you feel like a guppy that's lucky to get a little play here and there or do you feel like the big fish that can have whatever he wants? Women want the big fish... and the funny thing is, if you just believe that you are, you'll soon start doing the things that turn women on naturally. But again, maybe I'm confused by what we're implying when we say "nice guy" and "asshole."

    "Nice guy" and "Asshole" are misleading terms and should only be taken in their current context. For instance, I know some really nice guys who are considered "Assholes" in the dating world because of how they deal with women. I assure you that if you treat these girls like garbage, they won't take it. The only time to treat a girl like garbage is when she does something to you that pisses you off (and rightfully so). You put a girl in her place when she oversteps your boundaries, and when you do so, she learns to respect you. If a girl starts fucking with you (and they'll do it on purpose to test you) and you don't put her in her place and you let her walk all over you, she'll move on to the next cock. She won't dump your ass until she has the next dude locked down, obviously, but she'll definitely be looking. Of course, sometimes you piss the girl off by putting her in her place, and of course that's when she goes crawling to the "nice guy" so she can bitch about what an "asshole" you are and have her ego fluffed up by the praise being showered on her by the "nice guy". Once she feels better about herself, she ditches the "nice guy" and goes crawling back to the "asshole." I think we all know the pattern...
     

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