GUN Say you came out of a restaurant to your car being robbed...

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  1. dano

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    Would you pull your weapon, point it at the robber, and tell them to lay on the ground until the police showed up?

    We always talk about scenarios where we'd shoot or not shoot, well what about just pulling your weapon as a means of holding someone for doing something really illegal?

    Not sure what I'd do. I don't know the legals ins and outs of this situation, but I believe in the eyes of a jury you'd be justified for stopping a crime in its act.
     
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    Cars are not robbed.

    Cars are burgled or stolen.
     
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    This really depends on your local laws. I'm not going to say what I would do, it would depend on the circumstances. But pulling your gun and pointing at someone automatically raises it to using deadly force in protection of property.

    Research your local laws and stay safe.
     
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    ccw at least in ohio you can't protect personal property with deadly force unless you are threatened he would get a swift kick to the face. If he pulled a gun out at me when i approached then yes i would shoot him.
     
  5. dano

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    My ideal scenario would be the one my dad told me about when he was younger. Just take care of the criminal yourself and don't involve the cops.

    Some guy tried robbing his truck while he was at batting cages in his teenage years. Came out with his bat, snuck up on the guy and beat the hell out of him, shoved him under another car, and went about his merry way. :rofl:

    Not saying I'd pistol whip the guy and just leave, but it sure sounds nice.
     
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    I believe here you can't protect property unless you're on your property or your life is danger off your property. This would mean pulling the gun and holding him would be illegal, but it seems so stupid to just have to let the criminal take your car and drive off. I'd be pissed as all hell.
     
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    "it was tense, i thought he might have a gun, he reached inside his <pants, pockets, jacket" and had a <crowbar, bat, stun gun, sword> in his other hand. i had no choice.
     
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    yea holding him on the ground isn't illegal as far as i know but if he decides hes going to get up and leave and you shoot him your going to jail cause you shouldn't have held him on the ground at gun point. But regarding the car thats what insurance is for...but like Valence said you could do what he said but in the end its you against the jury, if your able to convince them shooting him was the best option then go right ahead.

    edit: also if you go after them I was taught in my ccw class your going to jail too cause should always be trying to get out of the situation and if hes running away the threat is leaving as should you
     
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    I wouldn't shoot the robber or pursue them either. Even if they are criminal scum they don't need to be murdered for attempting to rob a car. Now if he charged at me or my SO or something, then yeah, he deserves to be shot.
     
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    In TX you can shoot them at night for that.

    I'm not entirely sure what I'd do honestly.
     
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    Probably better off firing a warning round. :o
     
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    Since i hate my pos car I would prolly let them go. :o
     
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    Was the car being robbed at gunpoint?
     
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    I would not shoot someone simply for breaking into/attempting to break into my car.
    I would, however, quite possibly use my gun to hold the person until police arrived.
    I would only shoot the gun if I absolutely had to protect my life or someone else's life around me.
    My car and it's contents are not worth the trouble that would come after shooting someone for just theft, although it's still MY stuff and MY well-being that is threatened.
     
  17. Joe_Cool

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    I'd make a token attempt to restrain him physically, then shoot him in self-defense.
     
  18. Joe_Cool

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    Just kidding. I'd seriously consider shooting, but I'm not sure what I'd do.
     
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    Irrelevant. I'd be morally satisfied with shooting a thief over a penny. The only question that matters is the probability that I avoid prison.
     
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    I'd just pull my gun to scare him off. There's really not much else I could do, other than point a gun at him and tell him to freeze, at which point he'd most likely take off running; any more action on my part would just be a jail risk for myself, or at the very least a whole lot of my valuable time wasted in court.
     
  21. Joe_Cool

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    :ugh2: yourself. If you're ok with being robbed as long as the value of the goods is less than the cost of stopping him, then good for you. I don't agree. Some things are more valuable than money, and I say the sanctity of my rights is one of them. It's not ok for some asshole to steal from me just because he didn't steal much.
     
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    i'd call 911 and holler for the guy, if he went the other way i'd let him go. if he came towards me all bets are off.
     
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    I wouldn't carry in a restaurant personally - this is a time I think when you'd be better off carrying a taser or a stun gun. I believe you'd legally be in the clear using it on them and then restraining them until police arrive.

    IMO it's not worth the headache, hassle, and potential legal issues killing someone over a few items in your car. That's what I have insurance for. It's a no brainer to me - pay thousands in legal fees even though I might *TECHNICALLY* be in the clear, or get paid a few thousand from Geico.
     

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