MIL Russia to provide Iran with S-300 anti-aircraft defence system

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  1. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSDAH63979220071226?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0





    Rommel posted this in DIAC but i thought you guys might know more about these weapon systems
     
  2. SweetDaddyO

    SweetDaddyO we need a montage!!

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    fairly useless when the launchers, radars, and control vans would all be destroyed on the first night of a conflict by stealth cruise missles
     
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    Let them spend all the money thwy want on shit that'll get ruined on day one of any fucking around with the USA.
     
  4. Dnepr

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    Say what? :coolugh:
     
  5. BCKane

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    Think he was combining the use of Stealth Bombers and Cruise missiles to take out their AA infrastructure.
     
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    or he works at skunkworks and knows some shit we dont.. dun dun dun
     
  7. SweetDaddyO

    SweetDaddyO we need a montage!!

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    i meant what i said. you think we haven't combined stealth technology with cruise missle technology?
     
  8. MrRyan

    MrRyan Gary Johnson 2016 OT Supporter

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    Ask Syria how well this system did this past summer against the Israeli deep strike attack.
     
  9. Dnepr

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    Why would I ask Syria? They dont have this system.
     
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    To my knowledge, yes they do.
     
  11. Dnepr

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    May I ask for a link to a reliable source stating how many S-300 Systems Syria has and when it acquired them.


    I just searched all my usual sources and none of them have confirmation of S-300 deal with Russia and Syria EVER being done.

    There are mentions of rumors about it which were denied by Russia in late 1990's. Such a deal would've caused a major media firestorm and I am not seeing even one mention of such deal in any news archives.


    Maybe you have S-300 mistaken for another system?
     
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  12. Dnepr

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    It is generally known that Syria recieved a shipment of Pantsyr systems from Russia this year. (http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/08/17/afx4029892.html)

    This system is primarily design for close air defense support. With limited range. That is BESIDES the fact that those systems were not operational ( only 2-3 months between the attack and the time when Syria recieved those systems) as confirmed by Russian officials.
     
  13. MrRyan

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    I'll check tomorrow. May not be able to answer what I find out.
     
  14. Dnepr

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    I wouldnt be surprised ;)
     
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    EBK Hate hippies & hadjis

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    These guys are really scared of something.. And I hope Russia is enjoying the the many Arabs and one Venezuelan troll sucking their dicks for submarines, Flankers, and AAA
     
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    Didn't get around to it today - will look on wed.
     
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    that's probably the reason why Iran is buying these, they're scared shitless because their other missiles won't work
     
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    Iran sure is something....:ugh:
     
  19. Dnepr

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    I guess you still dont have the sources to back up yours or dispute my claim.

    :h5:
     
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    :greddy: I was bored today so I looked this up
     
  21. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    God that sucks for me.
     
  22. MrRyan

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    Even if I had the time to look it up...I couldn't share them with you. Did find this interesting article.

    SILENCE IN SYRIA, PANIC IN IRAN


    Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
    Wednesday, 19 September 2007

    One of India's top ranking generals assigned to liaise with the Iranian
    military recently returned to New Delhi from several days in Tehran - in
    a state of complete amazement.

    "Everyone in the government and military can only talk of one thing," he
    reports. "No matter who I talked to, all they could do was ask me, over
    and over again, 'Do you think the Americans will attack us?' 'When will
    the Americans attack us?' 'Will the Americans attack us in a joint
    operation with the Israelis?' How massive will the attack be?' on and
    on, endlessly. The Iranians are in a state of total panic."

    And that was before September 6. Since then, it's panic-squared in
    Tehran. The mullahs are freaking out in fear. Why? Because of the
    silence in Syria.

    On September 6, Israeli Air Force F-15 and F-16s conducted a devastating
    attack on targets deep inside Syria near the city of Dayr az-Zawr.
    Israel's military censors have muzzled the Israeli media, enforcing an
    extraordinary silence about the identity of the targets. Massive
    speculation in the world press has followed, such as Brett Stephens'
    Osirak II? in yesterday's (9/18) Wall St. Journal.

    Stephens and most everyone else have missed the real story. It is not
    Israel's silence that "speaks volumes" as he claims, but Syria's. Why
    would the Syrian government be so tight-lipped about an act of war
    perpetrated on their soil?

    The first half of the answer lies in this story that appeared in the
    Israeli media last month (8/13): Syria's Antiaircraft System Most
    Advanced In World. Syria has gone on a profligate buying spree, spending
    vast sums on Russian systems, "considered the cutting edge in aircraft
    interception technology."

    Syria now "possesses the most crowded antiaircraft system in the world,"
    with "more than 200 antiaircraft batteries of different types," some of
    which are so new that they have been installed in Syria "before being
    introduced into Russian operation service."


    While you're digesting that, take a look at the map of Syria:



    Notice how far away Dayr az-Zawr is from Israel. An F15/16 attack there
    is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of
    Syrian airspace. And guess what happened with the Russian
    super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries
    when that penetration took place on September 6th.

    Nothing.

    El blanko. Silence. The systems didn't even light up, gave no indication
    whatever of any detection of enemy aircraft invading Syrian airspace,
    zip, zero, nada. The Israelis (with a little techie assistance from us)
    blinded the Russkie antiaircraft systems so completely the Syrians
    didn't even know they were blinded.

    Now you see why the Syrians have been scared speechless. They thought
    they were protected - at enormous expense - only to discover they are
    defenseless. As in naked.

    Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out - for this means Iran is just as
    nakedly defenseless as Syria. I can tell you that there are a lot of
    folks in the Kirya (IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv) and the Pentagon right
    now who are really enjoying the mullahs' predicament. Let's face it:
    scaring the terror masters in Tehran out of their wits is fun.

    It's so much fun, in fact, that an attack destroying Iran's nuclear
    facilities and the Revolutionary Guard command/control centers has been
    delayed, so that France (under new management) can get in on the fun to
    o.

    On Sunday (9/16), Sarkozy's foreign minister Bernard Kouchner announced
    that "France should prepare for the possibility of war over Iran's
    nuclear program."

    All of this has caused Tehran to respond with maniacal threats. On
    Monday (9/17), a government website proclaimed that "600 Shihab-3
    missiles" will be fired at targets in Israel in response to an attack
    upon Iran by the US/Israel. This was followed by Iranian deputy air
    force chief Gen. Mohammad Alavi announcing today (9/19) that "we will
    attack their (Israeli) territory with our fighter bombers as a response
    to any attack."

    A sure sign of panic is to make a threat that every one knows is a
    bluff. So our, and Tel Aviv's response to Iranian bluster is a
    thank-you-for-sharing yawn and a laugh. Few things rattle the mullahs'
    cages more than a yawn and a laugh.

    Yet no matter how much fun this sport with the mullahs is, it is also
    deadly serious. The pressure build-up on Iran is getting enormous.
    Something is going to blow and soon. The hope is that the blow-up will
    be internal, that the regime will implode from within.

    But make no mistake: an all-out full regime take-out air assault upon
    Iran is coming if that hope doesn't materialize within the next 60 to 90
    days. The Sept. 6 attack on Syria was the shot across Iran's bow.

    So - what was a ttacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It's possible it was North
    Korean "nuclear material" recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make
    radioactively "dirty" warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as
    the Norks don't have real nukes (see Why North Korea's Nuke Test Is Such
    Good News, October 2006).

    Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range
    Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an
    attack on Israel.

    A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio
    weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US
    invasion of April 2003.

    But the identity of the target is not th e story - for the primary point
    of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down
    Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the
    attack an incredible success.

    Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless
    enemies are fun.
     
  23. Dnepr

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    :ugh: Yeah... you're full of it just like Dr. Jack Wheeler.
     
  24. MrRyan

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    Just because of your smug attitude, I looked it up today. :) I stand vindicated. :wiggle:
     
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    Interesting that you and I were thinking of this thread at the exact same time. Wanna make out?
     

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