(This is a tangent/follow-up to Yail's thread http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=3309776 and the document linked to in that thread - pages 11-12 of that document where he talks about men vs. women.) First of all, I really don't even see what the point of bringing up what women have accomplished is in this case, except as an excuse to say insulting things and get away with it. Otherwise, it is really irrelevant to the point of the book. For example and paraphrased, it's said that women aren't leaders or innovators, they are interested only in social factors. Now, if you should happen to be offended by this, then it only proves that you are this shallow, "basic" woman. If you were really the leader or innovator type, this wouldn't bother you. So, now you either have to admit and accept to being shallow and incapable (regardless of your actual position) or you have to accept the assholic remarks. It's a no-win, because he's set it up to be inarguable in this point, accepting that these are the only possiblities. I also take issue with the fact that he implies that most people denounce their gender as part of their individuality. Not only is he addressing the book to 'men', but we all see that on here regularly - a bunch of information addressed to men. This is how men act, this is men's station in the male-female dynamic, etc. Aside from that, regardless of our individual identity, when things are posted on here by the females, what is said? I've never seen "Don't listen to silver, she's an optometrist/rides horses/likes video games, optometrists/horse riders/gamers don't give good advice." It's "Don't listen to silver. She's a woman and they don't give good advice." How can someone be expected to shrug off a part of their identity when it is constantly pushed in their face. If people were saying women suck, but then treated and regarded me as a person, I would take much less offense. I do understand what the purpose of the book is though, and that is why I didn't want to clog up your thread with this tangent. Although, I still wonder how much faith I'd put into the teachings of wordsmith, such as the author seems to be. And I hope that the hopeful guys who read this realize that basically the author's advice will help you get all the hair-discussion-having, pop-culture-loving, drama-tv-watching ladies you want, because this book isn't directed at how to get the intelligent, individual ones. So if that's what you want, more power to you. But when we try to give advice to the guys that might want the latter, shut up and let us talk. -- Cliffs: Tired of hearing about how women are stupider than men and all the facts that exist to prove this. It's repeated in the pdf linked to in the other thread. The guy's just making excuses to be an ass (author, not Yail).