GUN Republicans, and a Democrat, Pump Second Amendment Credentials

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    Republicans, and a Democrat, Pump Second Amendment Credentials
    Friday, September 21, 2007

    WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Richardson told a group of National Rifle Association members on Friday he was a proud owner of a concealed-carry permit.

    Seven declared presidential candidates plus one waiting in the wings were going to talk guns, recreation and Second Amendment rights Friday before a power-house conservative audience gathered at the NRA's "Celebration of American Values" conference being held in Washington.

    Richardson, the New Mexico governor and the only Democrat on the roster, sent in a video-taped message noting the apparent conflict of his party affiliation with his support for the National Rifle Association.

    "As a western governor, I understand and support the Second Amendment," Richardson said, noting he has previously received an NRA endorsement when running for Congress and the governor's office.

    "This position doesn't always make me the most popular guy in the room with certain audiences, but the reality is that New Mexico has an age-old history of hunting, sportsmanship and other lawful shooting activities," Richardson said, adding that not only did he support his state's concealed-carry permit law, but, "I have a permit myself."

    But the politicians who were speaking Friday were largely Republicans. Most of the Republican field was scheduled for either live speeches or taped addresses — including Arizona Sen. John McCain, former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, California Rep. Duncan Hunter, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.

    Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who said this week he will run if his supporters raise $30 million, also was scheduled to speak at the conference later Friday.

    Giuliani, who is banking a large part of his campaign on public safety as well as defense of the Second Amendment, told the audience that he would protect the right to bear arms in the way he did as a former federal prosecutor in the Reagan administration and as mayor of New York. :ugh:
    "I'll work to make sure that if somebody commits a crime, they go to prison. If somebody commits a crime with a gun, they'll go to prison for even more time and for mandatory sentences. No plea bargains, no exceptions; you go to jail. That's the way to reduce crime," Giuliani said. "We need to have zero tolerance for crime committed with a gun. After all, it's people that commit crimes, not guns."

    Giuliani also said he would appoint "strict constructionist" federal judges who would interpret the law as it's written rather than imposing liberal ideals in their rulings, and applauded the recent ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit that overturned a D.C. law banning most firearms in the home.

    "When we appoint a strict constructionist judge, that's what we're appointing. We're appointing someone to interpret what somebody else meant, not to make it up as he or she goes along," Giuliani said.

    Thompson, who is facing criticism for campaigning at gun shows, made no bones about his support for the Second Amendment.

    "My first trip to New Hampshire after I announced my candidacy, I went to a gun store. When I was in Florida, just last week, I went to a gun show, right before the U.T.-Florida football game. I should have stayed at the gun show," Thompson said to laughter from the audience.

    He later faced a question asking him his feelings on gun shows. Saying he had just returned from one, he said, "I enjoy gun shows" and would resist efforts to regulate them.

    "I think that they're a part of Americana. I do not know that anybody would be against gun shows. There are various kinds of regulations and proposals that would restrict private citizens who are not professional dealers or anything like that, and place rules on them as they go there. I've always been against that," Thompson said.

    McCain, who at times has crossed swords with the NRA, sought to strike a conciliatory tone by pushing his support for constructionist judges, opposition to unfair gun regulations, and cleaning up Washington in general.

    "Over the years, we have not agreed on every issue. We had differences over my efforts to standardize the sales procedures at gun shows and to clean up our campaign finance system. I understand and respect your position," McCain said.

    "But while we may disagree on the means, we do agree on the need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and, in light of the number of my colleagues who have been disgraced, are under investigation and are worried about indictment, agree that Washington needs cleaning up. Americans have lost trust in their government and that trust must be restored," he said.

    McCain also took aim at Giuliani, describing the former mayor's "devious attempt to bankrupt gun manufacturers" with a lawsuit against them over violent crimes involving guns. A federal court heard arguments on the ongoing lawsuit Friday in New York.

    The Arizona senator also mentioned Giuliani's use of the word "extremists" in talking about the NRA.

    "My friends, gun owners are not extremists; you are the core of modern America," McCain said. "The Second Amendment is unique in the world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our founding fathers.

    McCain also took a shot at an increasingly popular Republican political target, the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. The group, "which seems to be calling the shots in the Democratic Party these days, will have more influence on gun control in the Oval Office, not John Dingell," McCain said, referring to the key Michigan Democratic congressman who supports gun rights.

    Huckabee and Gingrich were scheduled to deliver remarks later Friday, and Romney was to give a taped message.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.
     
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    oh, so now they're all about the 2nd :rofl:
     
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    :werd: I'd vote for Richardson before the 2 flip floppers.
     
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    :ugh: at the bolded comment. he's so gun friendly that he banned full auto weapons :wtc:
     
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    Mike Huckabee pwned them all.
     
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    Richardson is huge douchebag... huge huge huge douchebag.
     
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    cnn had a vid of the douchebag Giuliani answering his phone in the middle of his speech.
     
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    Maybe haven't read anything about him other then his 2nd stances, doubt he'll get the Dim nomination anyway. He can't be any worse then Hillary or Obama though.
     
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    Because evolution is the topic at an NRA forum
     
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    I was watching the YouTube Dem debate back when it aired and a question came up about the war. They're all against the war, which is fine and understandable... I'm not going to judge them on that.

    Buuuut... some comment came up about a soldier who had fought and everyone stood and applauded the guy... including all the candidates - minus Bill Richardson. He just stood there, not clapping... which to me makes him look like a total douchebag. Be against the war but don't be against the troops. :squint:
     
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    The only "pro" 2A thing richardson has done was sign the CCW law into effect here. He's a fucking twat on every other level, please don't. I'd rather lose my guns than have him as a governor a second time, or as president.
     
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    Richardson spent 350 million dollars on a "commuter" train that picks you up and drops you off in cities with no mass transit systems, and goes slower than driving on the freeway, also set price so low the train never makes money, it always loses money. So we're paying for a train that so far is slower than driving, always costs tax payers (even from the 90% of the state that can/will never ride it) money to keep it up, and leaves you in a city where you still have to find or pay for transportation to your work.

    Richardson also spent 250 million dollars on the virgin space port...a space port for space craft and travel that does not exist. The AnasiX, or whatever it's called, craft that won a few years ago was the first of it's kind...no one knows if they'll keep using craft like that for these space journeys, or if a whole new breed will emerge. So rather than wait and find out what the standard protocol will be for space travel, they spend all of that money on a spaceport to host craft that aren't even proven yet. That'd be like building a modern international airport in 1908 to host fleets of aircraft like the Wright brothers, because they flew a few years before.

    He also opened our doors to hurricane Katrina victims, and pushed companies to create jobs for them. Now I'm all about helping people out, but the problem here is that the only people who came were the ones with out jobs, they got jobs and bought houses...and brought their crime and poverty with them.

    'Ol Bill also initiated a bunch of tax cuts for movies and TV shows to be filmed and produced here, which in the long run may or may not benefit the state. But right now, for the past two or three years these cuts have been in place, it's actually harming the economy, because even though they film here, they are marginally effecting the economy, they ship everything in, and don't purchase locally, they don't stay at hotels, the ship in trailers and rent dirt lots. So the state is left to pay for their tax cuts out of our pockets, and we aren't seeing the economy boom from it.

    He's an asshat.
     

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