GUN Reloading people question about OAL

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  1. minus

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    I loaded some 357 mag loads with a .5cc dipper of 231 which is around 6 grains and topped them off with 158 gr copper plated bullets. I seated them to right at the crimp groove then used the 4th die in the lee set to crimp it. The manual lists a load for 158 gr lead at around 1100 to 1180 fps which is what I loaded it to. The lee manual didn't list a 231 load for plated just lead so i used that. These are my first handloads and i have yet to shoot them so i just want to make sure i am doing it right.
     
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    should be ok, I am pretty sure that when you use plated bullets you always use lead data unless you go to the website for the manufacture of your bullet. Lots of times they will have load data there.

    just looking real quick i found a load from winchester that calls for 6.7 gr of 231 suggested starting load is 6.0

    check out www.handloads.com
     
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    158 grain LSWC or LRN (Semi-Wad Cutter or Round Nose)
    (I don't recommend lead at over 900 FPS unless at least using a Gas Check or copper plated)
    Bullseye 6.5 gr. 1,320 FPS
    Unique 6.8 gr. 1,295
    Universal 6.7 gr. 1,297
    HP38 3.9 gr. 846
    No. 2 5.8 gr. 1,074
    No. 5 8.2 gr. 1,239
    No. 7 10.5 gr. 1,239
    231 6.7 gr. 1,275
    231 6.1 gr. 1,075 (plated, actual in 7" bbl revolver)
    296* 14.5 gr. 1,560
    * use magnum primers
    (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)

    http://www.reloadammo.com/357loads.htm


    Your load seems fine but I'd invest in a powder thrower over dippers.
     
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    I might be blind, but I don't see where OAL comes into this equation :dunno:
     
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    unless you are making some extreme loads, i think OAL really is only an issue when you are dealing with max loads. just dont jam the bullet far in there and you will be fine... I seat my 357 so there is a little crimp band left.
     
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    The thrower came with the kit. The dipper is listed in the book and on a single stage its easier for me to just throw it through the top of the die. The lee perfect measure is a pita to adjust :(.
     
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    I think i'll load 100 or so for the range this is fun :o. I should have started earlier.
     
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    Also I used magnum winchester primers like the site reccomended for all 357 loads that should be fine right?
     
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    everywhere i get data from says to use standard non-magnum unless the data calls for magnum primers.
     
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    Is it going to cause any problems or it's just overkill?
     
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    magnum primers are hotter, so its like more powder in the case. i dont know what the conversion factors are, i would check with a reloading forum, like on www.ar15.com in the general forum section, they have a good reloading group. or you could just find a load that calls for magnum primers and load that up.
    what primers did your data call for?
     
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    On the winchester powders site even the cold 750 fps loads call for magnum primers.
     
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    I wouldn't imagine you're going to have any horrendous problems unless you're using very hot loads. Go join accuratereloading.com and ask there.
     
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    my understanding is a magnum primer will add about 5000psi to the overall pressure.
     
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    winchester powders are funny. some of them they strictly direct you to NEVER underload from their listed data. so maybe they are different than others.
     
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    i forgot to mention that i hope you are using a scale with that stupid dipper. FYI the density charts are WAY off for some off the powders according to Lees charts. I am using 2400, they say that I should be using like 1.4 cc, but that is consistantly two grains heavy. I am using a perfect powder measure, but densities can be way off, so I hope you are weighing whatever your dipper is doing.
     
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    I dunno. Shot 150 or so of them today. Not bunny fart target loads but not blow your wrist off nuclear loads. Works just right.
     

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