GUN Red dot sight overrated?

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  1. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

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    On some forums the answer to every problem is a red dot sight. I thought I'd ask you guys, why the love? Are you really that much faster with a red dot over irons? How about over a fiber optic sight? I'm feeling really tempted to try a fiber optic ar front sight post and see how it compares to an aimpoint on the range.
     
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    i dont have much experience with red dots, but logically finding 1 big dot seems quicker than lining up 2 sights :dunno:
     
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    i thought it was well known that iron sights requires you to focus on 3 objects; your target, your front and back sights

    optical sights eliminates that
     
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    If you can focus on all three you have amazing eyes ;)
     
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    T0nyGTSt New Member

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    that's the thing -

    at least one of those elements will be out of focus

    and how quick can you sorta focus, get out of focus, focus again

    i find i sorta jump or hunt between front sight, back sight, target until i get a comfortable sorta compromise

    a cheap red dot eliminates that 'hunting'
     
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    for close range red dot sights are the fastest. They are also easy to use so that is why they are so popular.

    With iron sights you have to see your target, then you line up the rear sight with the front sight, then you focus soley on the front sight and the target gets a little fuzzy and the rear sight seems to disapear. This is the classic type 4 sight picture used for precision shooting with iron sights.

    The guys that are really good with iron sights are both gifted and they cheat. First as far as being gifted they have really good eyes. Their eyes can go from front sight to target and back and forth in 1000ths of a second.

    For close range targets they sight picture 1 and 2 where they use a hard target focus and rely on their index to make sure the gun is on target. They really don't use the sights.

    The advantage of a red dot is that you look through the dot. It is supper imposed on the target. You just use a hard target focus which is the fastest sight picture. Also you don't need to be centered on the gun. You can have a sloppy cheek weld or otherwise slipping and as long as you can see the dot, you have the shot.
     
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    This. "Where the dot is, is where the bullet goes." Period.
     
  8. Sloi

    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    RDS, overrated? No.

    It's almost effortless...
     
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    Not a fan.
    They're heavy, prone to breaking, and promote bad habits.
    I prefer TFO
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Don't roll your eyes at me.:squint:
    It's just one more thing that can break.
     
  12. Paul Revere

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    sure, but how many times do you hear about an aimpoint breaking? and with the t1 weighing in at less than 4 ounces, how is that "heavy"? also, what bad habits do they promote?
     
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    I don't hear about them breaking, but I have heard about the batteries going out in unfortunate times.
    That being said, I just don't like them.
    It's one more thing that can go wrong.
    I think they would foster a dependence on them that would inhibit ability to shoot off iron sights.
     
  14. Pineapple Devil

    Pineapple Devil beat it!

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    i dont think they are overrated. they have their place just like everything else does
     
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    I <3 Market Garden's Eotech and his C-More. I also suck at iron sights, but he's going to make me take the scope off my 10/22 so I can learn. :-/
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    You should hate semi-autos too since its just one more thing too go wrong.
     
  17. There's nothing wrong with red dot sights as long as people realize their limitations and are able to cope without them.

    It's important to have a firm grasp of the basics of marksmanship before you start to lean on fancier optics to help you. If you learn to shoot well with basic iron sights, then you'll have an easier time with shooting in pretty much all circumstances, including with some sort of red dot. If all you have ever done is shoot with a red dot, then it's taken away, you're screwed. Batteries die, lenses get broken, internal components fail. As the complexity of a system increases, so do the chances for a failure.

    I'm not saying not to use a red dot, I have a few, just that people should learn to be proficient with iron sights before they learn to rely on a red dot.
     
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    Thats sort of what I was hoping to point out with this thread. I'm feeling like a lot of the forums might be giving shooters the impression that an aimpoint is a golden hammer.
     
  19. McCroskey

    McCroskey Jonny, what can you make out of this? OT Supporter

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    bah....I take Obi-Wan's advice and switch off the targeting computer.
     
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    I am weighing the possibility of trying out a red dot or two once I become proficient enough with the irons that there won't be any issues if the dot fails.
     
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    McCroskey Jonny, what can you make out of this? OT Supporter

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    Good plan.
     
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    worst comes to worst you now have a 30mm or 20mm (if you have an aimpoint) tube-reticle that should give you at least minute-of-man in relatively short ranges :dunno:
     
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    Sure but I'd rather be proficient with those irons so I don't have to worry about "minute of man" if that man is far enough that a 30mm tube doesn't give me what I need.

    Also, minute of man might become a problem when you have to make a precise shot on someone behind cover/hostage/etc etc.
     
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