R&T Mainstream Sedans Comparo - Battle of the bland, or the best cars in America?

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    By Peter Egan • Photos by Guy Spangenberg

    The biggest headache of our comparison test became apparent almost immediately when we accelerated down the onramp and onto the freeway. As we fanned out into the heavy traffic and then attempted to regroup into a neat, single-lane convoy, I scanned the six lanes around me and realized that our five test cars were going to be very difficult to pick out of the flow.

    No vivid red Ferraris, parrot-yellow Lamborghinis or other exotic birds in this group; we were surrounded by alternate versions of our own test cars, awash in Accords, Camrys and other popular sedans whose lines did not look remarkably different from our own, and whose paint colors ran the contemporary gamut of silver, gold and anthracite metallics. It was like looking for other pigeons in a large flock of pigeons.

    I was driving a Volkswagen Passat — arguably the most distinctively styled car in our group — but I had to be careful not to follow the wrong dark silver Camry to the middle of North Dakota, rather than up the coast of California, which is where we were headed. Alertness was called for, and perhaps a careful memorization of license plate numbers and taillight shapes.

    Which is another way of saying (a) this is the single most popular, best-selling class of automobile in America, and (b) these are not the cars your mother warned you about.

    In fact, these are the very cars your mother wants you to buy, in case she needs to be driven to the airport or taken shopping. She might even want one herself.

    They are also the cars your husband or wife might want you to buy, so the two of you can have one comfortable, reliable, rational and reasonably affordable vehicle in the family to compensate for the MG-TC or the Pitts biplane. Your friends wouldn't mind if you got one of these sedans, either, so they can ride to dinner in a back seat with some real knee and head room in a pleasant setting with decent upholstery.

    What we have here, then, is a group of sedans that provides honest transportation with a generous helping of civility, cars lodged securely in that satisfying middle ground between wretched excess and flinty self-denial. Good, well-rounded cars that provide a remarkable amount of luxury and performance, with surprisingly good handling. For all those broad-spectrum reasons — and others — this class is a hot battleground of the five manufacturers represented here.

    And we would have had six of them, except that Ford was unable to provide us with a Taurus because it didn't have one in its test fleet. (The current Taurus has been around since 2000; see Ampersand for information about the next one.) With the Ford dropping out, we ended up with four sedans from Japan and one from Germany, all with V-6 engines, four doors and automatic transmissions, and all priced somewhere between $24,400 and $31,484.

    Despite all these functional and aesthetic similarities, we did manage to regroup somehow on the freeway, and our intrepid band headed north up the coast to the fishing village/resort of Morro Bay, wringing the cars out for three days on freeways, city streets and the twisting back roads of the Coastal Range.

    Fortunately for California agriculture and reservoir management, yours truly was invited to fly in from Wisconsin to participate in this test, causing a full year of drought to end instantly. My arrival has twice before touched off the Storm of the Decade, and this time we once again enjoyed two full days of wind, driving rain and crashing surf that threatened to gnaw the California coast all the way back to Bakersfield, which would probably do wonders for yacht sales there, but hurt Country music and the pickup truck business. In any case, the waves didn't make it that far, and we had an enjoyable, if damp, drive that gave the high-speed wipers a workout.

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    And the contestants in this storm-lashed regatta were, in alphabetical order:

    Honda Accord EX V6

    Now in its seventh generation, the all-new-for-2003 Accord has been restyled and had its optional 3.0-liter V-6 massaged to crank out 20 percent more horsepower and 7 percent more torque, now producing 240 bhp and 212 lb.-ft. Suspension has also been retuned for better turn-in response and improved balance. Last year, the Accord was the best-selling car in America, and has been among the top two for the past decade. Our EX V6's as-tested price was $26,260.

    Mazda 6s

    New to the U.S., the Mazda 6 replaces the old 626 and gets a more powerful engine and an all-new chassis with a much more sporting emphasis, using double-wishbone suspension up front and Mazda's E-type multilink suspension at the rear. The optional 3.0-liter V-6 is the Ford Duratec engine, and uses continuously variable valve timing that helps it pump out 220 bhp and 192 lb.-ft. of torque. The Mazda's as-tested price was lowest of the group at $24,400.

    Nissan Altima 3.5 SE

    Like Mazda, Nissan has been on the march, trying to inject some new excitement into its model line, and the redesigned Altima combines a larger, roomier chassis, tuned suspension and the potent 3.5-liter VQ V-6 borrowed from the Maxima and the 350Z. In this guise, it puts out 245 bhp, and it's the largest engine in this group. Our car was equipped with the Leather Sport package with heated leather seats, a Bose sound system, sunroof and rear spoiler, and a supplementary airbag package, which brought the $23,149 base price up to $28,687, as tested.

    Toyota Camry XLE

    Redesigned last year with more interior room and styling sizzle, the Camry has received just a few minor upgrades for 2003, mainly to keep it on a par with the arch-rival Accord as America's other top-selling car. It's powered by a 3.0-liter 192-bhp V-6 with a muscular 209 lb.-ft. of torque on tap. Our test car had the optional traction control, leather package and navigation system. These in particular brought our Camry's $25,405 base price to an as-tested $31,484.

    Volkswagen Passat GLX

    Our lone European entry, the Passat was heavily upgraded in 2002, and — except for having a W-8 engine added to the option list this year — is not much changed. The engine in our test car was Volkswagen's 2.8-liter 30-valve V-6, rated at 190 bhp, the only option, other than paint and interior color, being the Tiptronic 5-speed automatic transmission, for an added $1075 to the suggested retail price of $28,750.

    So. When the storm was gone, the rain and fog lifted, the sun came out and warm Santa Ana winds blew into California. We commuted to work with these cars for another week and traveled with them on the weekends, writing notes, voting for our favorites and crunching prices and performance numbers to come up with a winner. Here's how it all shook out when the scores were tabulated:

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    5th — Volkswagen Passat GLX
    Points: 550.3

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    Strange, in a way, that this car finished last, because the Passat was well in the running among our subjective favorites. If the staff were running out and spending their own money on a car to have and to keep, the Passat might have come close to winning this comparison, despite a few functional shortcomings. Why?

    Because it's good-looking. And it has a nice personality.

    Several of the editors in our group thought it was, hands down, the handsomest car here, a trim and taut design that stands out in a group of safer or less original designs. There's no "me too" factor in the Passat; it is identifiable from 100 yards away as a modern Volkswagen and is the easiest to pick out of that traffic flow I mentioned.

    The interior is nice too. A rich and tasteful blend of shapes and colors (charcoal and light gray in this case) without any contrived, space-age zoominess. Like the Accord and Camry, it's largely devoid of cheap or trendy touches and doesn't attempt to pander to the child within us — which is usually someone else's child, in any case.

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    When it comes to styling and overall interior ambience, the Passat has a certain European sensibility, including a great set of front seats and rich-looking plastics and leather.

    But back to those functional shortcomings, which are found mostly below decks. The Passat's steering, to begin with, is slightly vague and rubbery. It has a reasonably good direct, on-center feel at high speed on the freeway, but seems to lose its tautness on curving roads and low-speed maneuvering. It doesn't do anything bad, it just doesn't have much direct mechanical communication between the tire patches and the steering wheel.

    As if designed to work in harmony with the numb steering, the brakes are also devoid of feel. Initial application gives you a rather soft pedal without much bite. More pressure causes the brakes to harden up and stop well, but the modulation is simply not very good.

    Beyond that, the chassis works pretty well. Ride is civilized and compliant, and the car exhibits a bit more body roll than, say, the Accord or Mazda 6, but it has good grip in hard cornering, once the suspension takes a set. It feels a bit narrower and taller than the other cars, but doesn't lose its composure when driven hard.

    The Passat has the smallest and least powerful engine in the group, though the 2.8-liter V-6 is smooth, revvy and willing, and it works well with the gearbox and doesn't feel slow or wheezy in the least when you're driving. Also worth mentioning, it has the best-looking and most nicely detailed engine bay in the group, and the only one with a fore-aft layout. In pure numbers at the drag strip, however, lack of peak horsepower hurt the Passat's comparative acceleration times and lost it performance points.

    Overall, the Passat is a very nice, civilized sedan — and certainly our aesthetic favorite, but it has a disappointing softness in its steering and brakes, which is odd for a German car. As one editor noted, "It's a strange world we live in; the Accord feels like a German car, and the Passat doesn't."

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    3rd — Toyota Camry XLE
    Points: 557.2

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    We would be untruthful if we claimed our scoring methodology can distinguish by a mere 0.1 point. And this is precisely what happened with the Toyota Camry XLE and the Nissan Altima 3.5 SE. We must term these two a tie for 3rd.

    ng in, the Camry had something of a staid reputation to overcome. In the past, it has often been considered "the car I would most likely recommend for my sister or brother-in-law to buy." Solid, comfortable and soundly engineered, in other words, but lacking — for the hard-core car enthusiast — in some essential adrenaline-producing vitamin.

    Is that a fault in this type of sedan? Probably not, but Toyota has been working overtime, nevertheless, to inject some style and excitement into the Camry, producing a pretty complete and satisfying car in the process.

    The Camry is still not a spectacular standout in any one area, but, as one editor put it, "has very high levels of goodness in all areas." Everyone thought its exterior and interior styling was stately and classy, in a quiet sort of way, with excellent fit and finish throughout, and beneath it all you have Toyota's record of rock-solid dependability. It's the modest, well-dressed solid citizen of our group, the one that gets the job done without drawing a lot of attention to itself.

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    "Classy in a quiet sort of way" describes both the Camry's interior and exterior, the former fitted with the optional navigation/sound system screen that tilts forward to reveal an access slot for the CD player.

    And it gets the job done quite well, in the drivetrain department. The smooth 3.0-liter engine has lots of torque on tap for immediate acceleration, whether for passing or accelerating out of a corner. It moves out with unflustered, almost noiseless, ease, and the shift lever has a handy thumb button that allows you to take it out of overdrive in the 4-speed automatic for extra zap on back roads and hills. It makes gearbox work in the twisties a no-brainer; you always get what you want, when you want it. Very civilized, yet quick on its feet.

    Speaking of which, the Camry's suspension is nicely damped for a comfortable ride, yet stiff enough to allow the car to be hustled through the curves without much drama or sense of shifting bulk. Steering is linear, with reasonably good feel, and non-intrusive to one's driving concentration.

    Seats in the Camry are a bit broader, less bucket-like than the others, without much side support on the lower cushions, but are well-shaped for ease of entry and comfort on the long haul. No one liked the navigation-system panel that struggles to incorporate the radio controls, which makes for a long reach to the distant tuning knob and a careful screen-read for tone adjustment. The sooner engineers rid themselves of the "combined function" mania, the happier most of us will be.

    Rear seats are big and roomy, and so is the trunk — which is the largest of the group. As with most of the others, nice "wood grain" trim sets off a handsomely styled interior that will appeal to the adults in the crowd.

    A case could probably be made that this is the best all-around car in the group, and many in the buying public have made that decision themselves. But in this crowd, we have cars of similar quality that have just a bit more edge to them, and we are an edgy bunch. Very few points separated any of the cars in scoring this comparison test — they are all remarkably good cars — and the Camry lost just a few crucial points on driving excitement.

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    3rd Place — Nissan Altima 3.5 SE
    Points: 557.3

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    A scant 0.1 point separated the Nissan Altima from the Toyota Camry. Even then, there was ambivalence about placing the Altima in its two-way tie for 3rd, mainly because of its magnificent engine.

    The Altima is definitely the hot rod in this little gathering, with the most displacement, torque and horsepower. Put your foot down and the Nissan simply moves out, right now, in any gear. Nice gearbox too. It reacts quickly in Drive, and handles manual downshifts with the quickest kickdown of the group and a solid engagement, without harshness. It puts the power — all 245 bhp — down when you want it. Unless the wheel is cranked hard right or left, but we'll talk about torque steer in a minute.

    The Altima also feels like the biggest car here — and is — in all dimensions, yet it's also the lightest, at 3320 lb. It's roomy inside, with a big, airy greenhouse and plenty of head and knee room for rear passengers, and it has trunk space second only to the Camry.

    Although the Altima's taillights are an acquired taste, we all warmed immediately to its handling. However, the steering becomes quite light on center with the application of the 3.5-liter V-6's power — at 245 bhp, it's the strongest in the test.

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    Where the Altima falls down is in its chassis dynamics. It has the most noticeable torque steer in the group under hard acceleration, and the steering has a loose, hunting feel over choppy pavement. It is also the least attached and most floaty feeling over rises and dips in the road — especially when those elevation changes occur in corners. The car needs better damping and better steering control to meet the high standards of this group. It simply feels loose and imprecise compared with the others.

    The Altima also lost points on styling, exterior and interior.

    The basic shape of the car is nice, but is marred by what one driver called "gawd-awful Rocket Boy taillights that belong on a pachinko machine, not a car." The door panels also have a plain, plastic look, and there's a lot of plastic on the dash as well. Several drivers also commented that the orange instrument markings cheapened an otherwise good set of dials. So a little suspension tuning and subtle restyling would go a long way in doing full justice to a car that is, nevertheless, fast, roomy and exciting to drive when the power comes on.

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    2nd — Mazda 6s
    Points: 565.4

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    A little confession here: The Mazda scored well in our subjective ratings, but was not suspected of placing so high overall until we added up the points. The factor that drove it just over the top was pure value for the money — this is a very nice, well-equipped car for $24,400, and is the least expensive car in the comparison.

    But there's more to like than just price. The Mazda 6 is without a doubt the sports car of this class, with steering and suspension dynamics an enthusiast can love. It turns in beautifully, stays flat in corners and generally feels compact and tossable. It has the most aggressive shock absorber rates of the group, but sacrifices very little ride quality. Strangely, though it's not the lightest nor the smallest of the group, it feels so. It's the nimble one of this fivesome.

    On the downside, however, that performance is hurt a bit by the car's automatic transmission, which is slow to downshift from top-gear cruising mode when you put your foot into it, whether to pass on the highway or accelerate out of a corner. This lends a sensation of sluggishness to what is actually quite a smooth and powerful engine — with the best exhaust note of the bunch. Using the manual side of the shift gate obviates this problem, of course, but you have to keep the engine revved and on boil manually to achieve the same throttle response the other cars have while running in Drive. This is a car that would be happier with its alternate 5-speed manual transmission, and, given its sporting nature, probably deserves to be ordered with one.

    Rated strictly on merit of handling pleasure, the Mazda 6s excels. Inside, the instruments and dash layout are the most driver-oriented too, with Ferrari-style air vents coexisting with the futuristic-looking center stack.

    The Mazda's compact, slightly shrink-wrapped looks translate into the cabin, where it feels more snug than spacious. The rear seats have just enough room for tall adults, but without the excess knee and head room built into the other cars in this group. Front seats are supportive and comfortable. The roomy, easy-to-load trunk is about average for this group.

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    Interior styling is a mixed bag, with unusually styled but simple-to-operate controls. The heater and air-conditioning knobs look like the rims of tiny, frosted beer mugs (or were we just thirsty?) and the controls have a single, lighted display strip along the top center of the dash. Different, but it all works.

    Exterior styling also got mixed reviews. The car seemed neither to please nor offend anyone to a marked degree, but at least it's a clean and tidy design. But most of us feel Volkswagen won the styling award for this whole group anyway, and the rest are somewhat generic.

    The Mazda didn't top any single performance category — though it tied the Altima and Camry for highest skidpad g-loads — but it scored highest in our subjective ratings for driving excitement. And that's a difficult high-wire to walk, being fun and exciting to drive while fulfilling class expectations for comfort and space, all at a price many thousands of Americans have decided they can afford. Mazda has pulled it off with the new 6.

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    1st — Honda Accord EX V6
    Points: 566.0

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    Our overall winner, albeit by a tightly contested 0.6 point, is the Honda Accord EX V6. Price is emphatically not a small matter for most of us who are car shopping in this range. And in fact, the Honda's as-tested price is $1860 higher than the Mazda's. On the other hand, it undercuts the others by even larger margins. What's more, it was the functional staff favorite, even for those Germanophiles who preferred the styling and panache of the VW Passat.

    Like the Camry, the Accord simply does everything very well, but does it with just a little more spirit and personality. First, the chassis feels billet-solid, and everything that opens, closes or latches does so with refinement and precision. Detail and finish, both inside and out, are first-rate. It has an appealing two-tone interior (beige and dark brown, in this case) with, as one tester put it, "some of the best fake wood going," in a light birch tone.

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    It has bold and brightly illuminated instruments, with a huge center-mounted speedometer, and white-on-black backlighting visible through the darkest sunglasses. Seats are excellent, with good side and lumbar support, comfortable enough for an uninterrupted six-hour stint behind the wheel.

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    Under all road conditions, the chassis is stable and planted, with steering that feels sturdy and accurate, with better self-centering than the Camry's. Ride is well controlled without being harsh, and the car stays pleasantly flat in hard transitions. On a winding road, you can push the Accord quite hard with confidence, as you have good feedback through the steering and a good sense of remaining traction.

    Although the Accord's stern will win no beauty contests, the car as a whole excels in detail refinement, comfort and excellent ergonomics. As examples, check out the bright, legible gauges and fake wood that would fool a termite.

    It also has lots of motor. The Honda's 240-bhp V-6 emits a nice growl and has a little more vibration than, say, the Camry's engine, but it pulls hard through a wider rev range and is downright scintillating in the stoplight wars. The unobtrusive automatic transmission can be left in D3 for a little more snap on the highway, but the engine pulls so well at all rpm it's almost unnecessary.

    Styling on the Accord was somewhat controversial with our staff (as with the public), and no one liked the rear view of this car. One staffer said it "has a tail that's been hit with the ugly stick — secondary impact, after it bounced off the Altima's taillights. Looks like an Alfa 164 left under the paint shop lights a little too long." The front end, with its tapered, futuristic nose, did not draw such rude comments, but nearly everyone felt that this is a great car let down by either odd or average styling.

    Styling aside, everyone liked driving the Accord. It's a car that gives you exactly what you want at all times, with no fuss. Adhering to the traditional Honda formula, it does nothing wrong and everything right.

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    You come away from a test of these cars realizing that, above this level in the automotive hierarchy, real improvements come in very small increments, but at a very high cost. These popular, all-purpose sedans perform about 96 percent as well as anything out there, and are at least 96 percent as luxurious as any car you can buy. In fact, it's hard to imagine, driving any of them, how you could be happier or more comfortable on a road trip. The crossbar of quality and performance is very high these days, and these cars are not far from the top.

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    In My Opinion...

    This group of cars has a lot to offer for the money. While impressed with the level of refinement of the Accord and Camry, and enjoying the sporting nature of the Mazda 6, in the end, I'd pick the Volkswagen Passat as the car I'd plunk my money down for. For me, it has the right blend of comfort, refinement and road feel, which communicates to me a sense of a real "Driver's Car."Bert Swift, Associate Art Director

    Isn't it amazing how plain vanilla can come in so many flavors? I like the VW Passat for its taut exterior style (and exemplary head room!). I enjoy the Nissan Altima for its superlative power (and spacey styling!). I savor the Mazda 6 for its crisp road manners (and amazing value!). But it's the bullet-proof Toyota Camry that I recommend to my sister-in-law (she's bought three of them now). And I save the Honda Accord, its svelte controls, its jewel-like finish, its newly Teutonic overtones, for myself.Dennis Simanaitis, Engineering Editor

    If I had my way, I'd take the Honda Accord's chassis, the handling dynamics of the Mazda 6, the Nissan Altima's engine, the VW Passat's interior and throw them all together with the Camry's high level of refinement. However, when forced to pick one out of the bunch, I would have to go with the Mazda 6. Although I dislike the name, I do like how it looks and the way it performs on twisty roads. Of course, if I were buying a family car — one that my wife would also drive — I would stretch my resources and get the Camry. But she says she prefers the VW. — Sam Mitani, International Editor

    All four of the Japanese cars in this comparison are too generic in styling for my tastes, and it's only the Passat that would cause me to look back over my shoulder after parking on the street. That said, the drivetrain, chassis dynamics and build quality of the Accord might allow me to overlook its styling. It's a car that engenders more respect for its engineering excellence with each mile of driving. It gets my vote as the best of the bunch. — Peter Egan, Editor-at-Large

    I'm a sucker for a great interior, and the Accord EX's level of finish and opulence here — with just-so gathered leather and truly convincing fake wood — nearly makes the Acura 3.2 TL redundant. Yes, the taillights are an eyesore, but the rest, to my eye, is crisp and modern. Aside from the NSX, previous Honda/Acura seats never quite supported in the right places, but the new Accord's are a revelation. Add a torquey, powerful engine that loves to rev, a satisfyingly firm suspension, decently communicative steering and a structure as crisp as a new $20 bill, and you have a real-world winner. — Douglas Kott, Executive Editor

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  2. TenzoR

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    I'd take the Mazda 6 with 5 speed manual
     
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    I love the Accord coupe, and the Mazda 6.

    I'd have to drive them both back to back and flip a coin to decide on just one of them.

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    I like the Accord slightly better than the Mazda6, just because of the smoother J30 engine and nicer interior. Both are good with a slightly different angle.
     
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    Where's 4th? :o
     
  6. VBGOD

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    That Accord looks like my Civic. :cool:
     
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    Altima and Camry tied for 3rd.
     
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    Thank you for telling me the non-OT way. :cool:

    You're a true gentlemen.
     
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    That camry redesign last year was really hideous. All the other cars look pretty nice from the front, although the taillights of the vw, nissan, and particularly the honda are ugly.
     
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    with the Altima's engine.
     
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    woo hoo! ACCORDingly done
     
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    Great, now i have two more to test drive before settling with the Altima : ) (Mazda and VW)
     
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    Sonic Live every day to the fullest, for yesterday is go

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    I'll take an Accord when you can get it in a 5 speed with the V6.:joshers:






























    :joshers:I'll NEVER happen.
     
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    Didn't like the accord?

    and sonic :slap:, you can get a 6-speed accord coupe with the V6.
     
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    Sonic Live every day to the fullest, for yesterday is go

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    coupe!=sedan


    And what point does either the TL or CL serve with the Accord literally nipping at their heels?
     
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    You can get a 5 speed in a Accord V6 sedan
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    I'll admit, its a glorified Accord. However you can say the same thing about others like the Maxima/I35, and Camry/Avalon/ES300. :shrug:
     
  18. Red97GST

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    :werd:

    and the back end of the accord was definately hit with an ugly stick. ugliest rear of any car on the market today
     
  19. Dizro

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    how many of these magazine comparos is the new accord gonna win? it won C&D's and now R&T's? now where's motor trend and automobile, and autoweek? the previous gen accord wasn't much of a looker either, i don't think the fugly rear end will keep sales down.
     
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    wheres the maxima? It would fit in much more than a altima IMHO
     
  21. Brigante

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    everything but its price tag. :slap:
     
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    the pricetag of a maxima is comparable to a similarly equipped loaded passat, and its within a grand or 2 of a altima.


    *shrug*
     
  23. LoveBack

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    We know what the key word in that sentence is :rofl:
     
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    i agree with you on the passat. it and the and the maxima, IMO are a step above the accord/camry/altima/6 category. and i don't think they should be compared to the accord, camry, altimia and 6. but "a grand or 2" is a considerable amount for the typical consumer who buys these types of cars. they're bargain hunters and they'll choose value over image, hence why the camry and accord are always best sellers. nobody thinks of these two cars as image cars obviously. but they do offer a lot for the money.

    the maxima and passat are "near-near-luxury" cars, so to speak. kind of in their own category.
     
  25. mayorbill11

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    if it were MY money, i'd be choosing between the altima 3.5 (with a manual?) or an accord V6 coupe with the 6 speed.
     

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