Questions about Vista

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  1. BKhAH

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    So I'm looking a for a notebook at the moment and have been looking at dells and gateways and all their notebooks come with Vista. Now I've heard nothing but bad things about Vista, but I have no idea I really don't know much about computers at all. So anyone wanna chime in on how Vista will work for a newb such as myself? Also notebook reccomendations would be great, looking to spend up to about 1100 bucks.
     
  2. P07r0457

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    I have been quite impressed with Gateway notebooks, recently. I even bought one. I recommend their M-Series. $1100 should get a very nice one with some change to spare.

    For Vista I recommend a fast hard drive, discrete graphics, and at LEAST 2GB of RAM. I have 3GB RAM and a ATi 2400 XT 256MB discrete graphics adapter, and it runs like a dream.
     
  3. b0b

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    i agree with the discrete graphics. I have an hp laptop with a dual core proc, 2 gigs of ram, 7200rpm sata hd, and integrated graphics. the only complaints i have in regards to running vista is that the startup time is very long (should be improved with sp1?), and my video card is not very good. however, i can still run all the eye candy fine with vista home premium.

    take peoples' complaints about vista with a grain of salt. many of the problems people have could have been easily avoided.
     
  4. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    I'm running Vista on my desktop and on my toshiba laptop, No problems with it on either, most compatibility problems have been worked out now, as long as your new computer has halfway decent spec's you should be fine. I don't know much about Gateways laptops, I had one of their desktops a couple years ago and it was crap. I've had pretty good luck with Toshibas.
     
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    vista runs horribly on my laptop: amd turion 64 x2 with 2gb of ram and integrated graphics. It runs fucking excellent on my desktop which is a q6600, 4gb of ram, and an 8800gt.
     
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    vista on my mom's laptop ran like shit with 512mb of ram. upraded to 1gb and it works fine.
     
  7. P07r0457

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    problems highlighted.

    amd turion 64 x2 == massive failure and aids.
     
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    Toshiba is on the lower-end of the scale. I would rate gatway as much better... so if you like your Toshiba, you'd love a gateway notebook.
     
  9. BKhAH

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    alright thanks for the suggestions guys I'm gonna go check out some gateways I'll post them up here in a few minutes for comments.
     
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    Operating SystemGenuine Windows Vista® Home Premium (32-bit)ProcessorIntel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7100 (1.80GHz, 800MHz, 2MB L2 Cache)Application SoftwareMicrosoft® Works® 8.5Adapter90 Watt AC AdapterBackup MediaCyberlink Power2Go (for Windows Vista® Home Premium and Ultimate)BatteryPrimary 6 Cell Lithium Ion battery (2600mAH) w/ 1 Yr. limited battery warrantyBluetoothBluetooth Wireless Networking ModuleChassisChassis w/ ATI® Mobility Radeon™ HD 2400 XT PCI Express Graphics, Intel® PM965 chipset and HDMI/MDMColorSlate Grey Ridgeview™Dimensions (System)1.1"-1.50" (H) x 14.00" (W) x 10" (D)Display15.4" WXGA Ultrabright TFT Active Matrix (1280 x 800 max. resolution) (Slate Grey Ridgeview)Expansion SlotsOne ExpressCard™ Type 54External Ports(3) USB 2.0, 15-pin VGA, HDMIFingerprint ReaderFingerprint ReaderHard Drive120GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard driveKeyboard and MouseFull-Size Keyboard, EZ Pad® Pointing Device and Dedicated Multimedia PanelMedia Card Reader5-in-1 media card reader (Memory Stick®, MemoryStick Pro®, MultiMediaCard™, Secure Digital™, xD-Picture Card)Memory2048MB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2-1024MB modules)ModemIntegrated V.92 56K modemNetworkIntegrated RealTek 10/100 Ethernet AdapterOperating System Backup MediaWindows Vista® Home Premium Backup Media (32-bit)Optical Drive8x Multi-Format Dual Layer Slot Load DVD-RW w/ DVD-RAMSecurity SoftwareMcAfee® 90-day Internet Security Suite Complimentary Subscription with VirusScan, Personal Firewall Plus, SpamKiller & Privacy Service v. 1.2 (for Windows Vista®)SOperating SystemGenuine Windows Vista® Home Premium (32-bit)ProcessorIntel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7100 (1.80GHz, 800MHz, 2MB L2 Cache)Application SoftwareMicrosoft® Works® 8.5Adapter90 Watt AC AdapterBackup MediaCyberlink Power2Go (for Windows Vista® Home Premium and Ultimate)BatteryPrimary 6 Cell Lithium Ion battery (2600mAH) w/ 1 Yr. limited battery warrantyBluetoothBluetooth Wireless Networking ModuleChassisChassis w/ ATI® Mobility Radeon™ HD 2400 XT PCI Express Graphics, Intel® PM965 chipset and HDMI/MDMColorSlate Grey Ridgeview™Dimensions (System)1.1"-1.50" (H) x 14.00" (W) x 10" (D)Display15.4" WXGA Ultrabright TFT Active Matrix (1280 x 800 max. resolution) (Slate Grey Ridgeview)Expansion SlotsOne ExpressCard™ Type 54External Ports(3) USB 2.0, 15-pin VGA, HDMIFingerprint ReaderFingerprint ReaderHard Drive120GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard driveKeyboard and MouseFull-Size Keyboard, EZ Pad® Pointing Device and Dedicated Multimedia PanelMedia Card Reader5-in-1 media card reader (Memory Stick®, MemoryStick Pro®, MultiMediaCard™, Secure Digital™, xD-Picture Card)Memory2048MB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2-1024MB modules)ModemIntegrated V.92 56K modemNetworkIntegrated RealTek 10/100 Ethernet AdapterOperating System Backup MediaWindows Vista® Home Premium Backup Media (32-bit)Optical Drive8x Multi-Format Dual Layer Slot Load DVD-RW w/ DVD-RAMSecurity SoftwareMcAfee® 90-day Internet Security Suite Complimentary Subscription with VirusScan, Personal Firewall Plus, SpamKiller & Privacy Service v. 1.2 (for Windows Vista®)Software DocumentationEnd User License Agreement for Non-Microsoft SoftwareStandard SoftwareAdobe® Acrobat Reader® 7.0Warranty1 Year Basic (Tech Support - Parts - Factory Labor)Web CameraIntegrated 1.3 Megapixel Web CamWeightStarting at 6.29 poundsWireless NetworkIntegrated Intel® 802.11a/b/g/Draft-N Wireless Networking (for Windows Vista®)oftware DocumentationEnd User License Agreement for Non-Microsoft SoftwareStandard SoftwareAdobe® Acrobat Reader® 7.0Warranty1 Year Basic (Tech Support - Parts - Factory Labor)Web CameraIntegrated 1.3 Megapixel Web CamWeightStarting at 6.29 poundsWireless NetworkIntegrated Intel® 802.11a/b/g/Draft-N Wireless Networking (for Windows Vista®)


    I can walk with this set up for around 1,200 bucks what do you guys think?
     
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    too much money.
     
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    I got my 2GHz Core2Duo, 3GB RAM, 250GB 5400RPM hard drive, Vista Home Premium, DVD+/-RW, 15.4" widescreen, ATi 2400 XT 256MB, card reader, HDMI, etc, etc for $799.
     
  13. miahmouse

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    I've only got a couple days worth of experience on it but my initial impression... Its a miserable failure. 2.5GHz Core2Duo, 2gb RAM, 7200rpm drive, 256MB Nvidia discreet graphics... etc. While its not dogshit slow its certainly not fast...
    In the first several hours these irritations popped up:
    wireless...2min...no wireless... reboot... wireless...2min... no wireless... reboot... etc...
    eleventyf*@$ingbillion security alerts and questions if a program can run... too much.
    After removing most of the vendor crap and turning off some security stuff its gotten a little better but I'm still far from impressed with it in nearly all aspects. I had to get work done last night so I loaded Ubuntu... everything but the fingerprint reader worked immediatly...
     
  14. zanyspy_dude

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    Where did you pick this up?
     
  15. P07r0457

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    Office Depot.

    Although I would never normally buy a machine there, I do go in for office supplies fairly regularly... And any time I'm in a store that sells electronics it's in my nature to check it out. I saw the price and figured they had made a mistake. I asked if they would honor the tag, and the manager said "of course". I bought one, promptly.

    Great value!
     
  16. trouphaz

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    so, was it a screw up or was that the actual price? if it was a screw up and they just honored it to do right by the customer, then you can't really compare it to the price that bkhah is getting. if, on the other hand, it was a sale or something, then yeah, maybe he should look around for a sale.



    on another side, how about the ATI graphics? i know you guys have been saying lately that nVidia is much better these days. is that worth affecting the decision for which laptop to go with?
     
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    It was a sale. Pricing was correct, albeit not regular.

    My problem with ATi is twofold... First of all, they're owned by AMD. That's not neccessarily horrible... But AMD is having some big problems making reliable high-density dies. That leads to cost issues, and crippled products. Secondly, they have NEVER been good at making a universal driver. And for a desktop, that's just unacceptable. I am currently using an ATi video card in my primary machine (after 5 years of nVidia exclusivity) and it was a nightmere getting the driver to behave itself. The only reason I ended up with an ATi card was that I was in the market, and the product met my needs at the price I wanted to pay. I also had hated on ATi for 5 years so I figured I'd give them another shot. In the end, I can confidently report that their drivers are no better than they were -- they are still absolute crap. Product wise, there exists one or two price points where they may still be the better value, but for high-end I still recommend nVidia.

    On a laptop, at least one of these issues is negated -- drivers. Due to the customized nature of notebook graphics adapters, there is generally not a universal driver. As a result, the customized driver tends to be pretty stable. Likewise, notebook manufactures go to much greater lengths to insure interoperability due to the requirements of the form factor. As a result, whether you go ATi or nVidia, notebook graphics solutions tend to be more solid -- although performace is generally impacted compared to a similar desktop setup.

    I also find color reproduction to be more vibrant/vivid with ATi, so for notebooks and HTPCs, that is a bonus. nVidia edges in with higher FPS, but given that a notebook is more about contrast for odd lighting conditions, as well as movies/media, then I find ATi to have an edge when it comes to notebook graphics.

    Both gateway notebooks that I have owned have utilized ATi graphics, and both have performed very well.

    That being said, if I were building a new gaming machine, I would definitely end up with an nVidia card. Also, if I were to do things over with my current HTPC, I wouldn't neccessarily rule out the ATi, but after yet another hellish experience with drivers, I would lean towards nVidia.
     
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    cool, thanks for the info. i'll be honest, i pretty much wrote gateway off years ago. hell, i didn't even realize they still existed. being at the same company for so long, all i ever saw with laptops was HP/Compaq with an occasional Dell or Thinkpad. i never had any issues with the HP/Compaq laptops, but they were the corporate versions, not the consumer and my company was willing to spend more on a laptop that i would.

    i don't think i'll be getting a laptop at my new job, so i'll probably be looking for one in the next month or so. i'll certainly keep gateway in my sights.
     
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    Gatway yes.
    HP yes/maybe. trackpad is iffy.
    Compaq hell no.
    Toshiba hell no.
    Lenovo yes.
    Thinkpad yes.
    Apple yes.
    Acer no.
    fujitsu. maybe.
    Asus yes.
    Sony hell no.
    Dell hell no.
     
  20. 1337_Byte

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    Vista is a very good OS, a big improvement over XP, is more secure, has better features, and easier accesability. It does use a bit more resources but if you have a bad computer you can just turn Aero off. For a laptop, I recommend anything that is HP.
     
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    Does HP still own Compaq? If so, do they not instill the same quality...
     
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    yes they still own them and no it's not the same quality.

    Same with toyota/scion. there are lots of pissed-off scion drivers who have unreliable shitboxes and they're mad because they "thought" they bought a "toyota". Not the same.
     
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    Vista runs perfect after for me after SP1. I had some sleep problems that SP1 fixed.
     
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    How is that a fast hard drive? I made sure I got a 7200 rpm drive for my lappy.
     
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    Is SP1 even out yet? Like, officially, not a beta or RC.
     

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