A&P Question about flash...

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  1. fatass

    fatass New Member

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    I'm curious, does anyone have side by side comparison of add-on flash units vs built in? Say... for Nikon crew a d200 or d80 built in flash vs sb-600 or sb-800.

    Just some shots so I can see how much difference there is...
     
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    The real difference between the two is positioning and power (and ease of diffusion). If you directed them similarly with the same output, you'd get pretty similar results.
     
  3. fatass

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    So the add-on will be higher, and have more power. I imagine they diffuse better, but not too much right?
     
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    You can point them at things, like the ceiling or a wall when they're on the camera, or through some sort of add on diffuser. They're real value above a built in flash comes in taking them off the camera, though. Then you get into remotes, mutliple flashes, stuff like that.
     
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    there is no comparison.
     
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    amen buddy.

    Direct flash should be used as a absolute last resort make sure there is no other alternative available
     
  8. fatass

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    i guess i'll just have to get one and play with it
     
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    if i'm remembering right, some of the really wide stuff like the 10.5mm fish will actually cause a shadow with the on-camera flash, whereas the speedlights can move it up far enough to avoid that problem (not to mention having bounce capabilities).

    I think rockwell of all people actually has the comparison you're looking for, but I can't be arsed to go look it up.
     
  10. anthem404

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    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105fe.htm

    shows it a little down the page.
     
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    rockwell is the downfall of the industry
     
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    I'd take his opinion alot more seriously if he took better photos.
     
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    theres pretty much nothing he can say or do to bring him any credability
     
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    onboard flash is shadowed by most wide lenses.
     
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    But Nikon Listens to him :hsugh: :rofl:
     
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    I was in this category until I got my SB600. the thing is unreal.

    built-in flash is weak as piss and very high colour temperature (blue light). Makes things look unnatural and I hated it, would rather do without.

    The SB600 has a much better colour temp, and with colour gels it goes the rest of the way towards blending with the rest of the lighting. I still trim the flash's output to suit as well, depending on the situation.
     
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    any advice on whether or not i should get a sb-600 or sb-800?
     
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    I uh....think...you mean..... HIRARIROURSSSS ^_^
     
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    ive got an speedlight SB400 for my Nikon D40. I really havnt used it all that much.
     
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    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/sb600vs800.htm

    *brakes for ken rockwell haters* :rofl:

    I bought the SB600 and love it. still prefer natural light but if i need a bit of extra help i just grab the flash. i don't grimace about trying to use ISO800+ and all that.
     
  23. Laser Bruce Lee

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    There's really no comparison. Use the on-camera flash only as a last resort. The only thing I use the on-camera flash on my D200 for is a trigger for my SB600 and SB800. I'd recommend against the SB400 as it only has one axis of rotation and I don't think it can act as a slave.
     
  24. Laser Bruce Lee

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    Here are some terrible pictures of my kitchen that serve no purpose but to illustrate the difference a good flash can make.


    On-camera flash. Notice the lens shadow at the bottom due to the flash not being high enough.
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    SB-800 pointed straight forward. Looks a lot like on-camera flash, but without the lens shadow.
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    SB-800 pointed straight up, bounced off the ceiling. Notice how smooth the lighting is and how soft the shadows are compared to direct lighting. If you're shooting with a flash, pointing it directly at your subject is usually the last thing you want to do, but that's all the on-camera flash is capable of doing.
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    Shitty multiple flash photo. One on top of the fridge way off to the left pointed up about 70 deg, the other in my hand at arm's length above my head bounced off the wall behind me.
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    Again, these aren't meant to be good or interesting pictures at all, they're just to show what kind of a difference better flash(es) can make.
    Those were all just bare flash as well, no extra diffusers on the flashes or anything.
     
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  25. Tedrzz

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    as far as the 600 vs 800 debate, if you only have one flash i'd get the sb600. i personally have it and it works great. from what i read, the sb800 is great if you have more than one flash and it can work as a remote.
     

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