GUN Question about car passengers and their rights regarding police stops

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  1. Sloi

    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    I just finished watching the ACLU video "Busted" and knew most of the material. What I'm a little hazy on is passenger rights: more specifically, are passengers obligated to provide identification? Any site I could check out for information on this and related stuff?
     
  2. I'd be tempted to say no, unless the situation met 2 criteria. If the person was committing a crime or there was reasonable suspicion that a crime was about to be committed, and there was a law that required them to identify themselves when asked by police. The SCOTUS ruled on such a case in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada.
     
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    What MG said. That said if you've been pulled over its likely because you were doing something that could get you a ticket. Being uncooperative will get you your ticket.

    I was recently a passenger in a car that was pulled over for having a headlight out. The officer asked for my id and as much as I would have liked to decline, doing so would have probably gotten the drive of the car a ticket instead of the warning that we drove away with.
     
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    Im pretty sure you legally have to show proof of identification if an officer asks for it.
     
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    TigreTek omega member OT Supporter

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    ntrly. you have to show a DL if you're driving. a cop can't come up to me on the street and ask "ver are your paypahs" i think depending on the state you have to provide your name/addy but that's the extent of it.
     
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    That's my understanding of it. If you're not driving there's no legal need to have your ID on you. You can always just say you don't have it, it's not like they can search you without probable cause. I think if they ask you do need to tell them your name and where you live though.
     
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    why do you have to tell them your name and where you live?
     
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    You only have to show your license if you're driving. If you're anywhere else (passenger, walking on the street, etc.) you are required ONLY to provide your identity. I believe this to be your name and date of birth only. You are NOT required to give a SSN or any other identifying information. Your experience may not go so well if you choose to limit the information as such, but exercising your rights sometimes comes with consequences. For instance, if an officer cannot verify your identity because you only gave your name and DOB, you may be in for a few more minutes of fun-time with the officer until such time as your identity can be verified.
     
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    You're in Canada...
     
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    Oh, hell. You're in a place where rights are less existent than here.
     
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    Anyone at any time MUST provide identification if a law enforcement officer asks, regardless of PC. It is considered a lawful order, at least here in Nevada.
     
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    well, given a video posted in a thread of mine yesterdayish in nh if being stopes for open carry you only need to provide your name and place of residence.
     
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    I think Nevada is the only state.

    Most states that is NOT the case.
     
  16. Sloi

    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    Roger dodger...
     
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    Not the case here, thankfully.
     
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    I don't see any negative to being able to ID all passengers of a vehicle. Then again, I get to see first hand how random person stops have resulted in an arrest for someone with a $5 million warrant for murder.
     
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    If you're going to use that argument, why not just ID ever person you see on the street? Hell, you'd probably pick up a warrant or two a day that way.
     
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    Papier bitte?

    The US takes privacy from unwarranted search and seizure pretty seriously, we even made it part of the bill of rights. If I've done nothing to warrant my investigation, I shouldn't be investigated. The idea of protecting the rights of the innocent even at the expense of not catching all the guilty is a pretty key point in our system.
     
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    Identifying someone is not investigating them.
     
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    the warrants tech sitting next to me says in florida you just need to provide your name and DOB if you're not doing something that requires a license. :dunno:
     
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    Didn't you say the purpose of asking for identification from the person who isn't under reasonable suspicion of committing a crime was to find out something about that person? That sounds like you're asking to investigate that person to me.

    You might read http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0443_0047_ZS.html

     
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    They can look something up in NCIC or SCOPE (SCOPE is a NV only thing) with only a name and DOB, so I guess thats all one would have to give. We dont have any "Warrants techs" here, only Law Enforcement Support Techs who work in records entering warrants.
     
  25. TigreTek

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    well, at least one of the agencies in florida has them labelled was "warrants technician"
     

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