MIL Purple Heart for PTSD? v.wounded in the brain

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Should a soldier with PTSD be eligible for the Purple Heart?

  1. Yes. If the PTSD was caused by contact with the enemy.

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  2. No. No blood, no medal. :squint:

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  3. Maybe. I will explain my worthless vote below.

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  4. Other. I will explain my even more worthless vote below.

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  1. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    From a recent Stars & Stripes article:
    http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62199&archive=true
    I am not discounting the fact that there are soldiers who have been seriously traumatized by some of the things they have experienced while in combat situations. This happens, and it is something they should receive medical/psychiatric help with for as long as they need it, but I don't think that awarding them a medal is right.

    We have a SPC that is currently suffering from PTSD. While he was on his two weeks of R&R, one of the guys in his platoon was killed in a rocket attack at a combat outpost. The PTSD Specialist has never been in a firefight, never experienced a rocket attack, and was nowhere near the incident when it happened. He has only gone out on a handful of missions, because he seems to always have some kind of issue that needs looking at by the aid station. His PTSD symptoms include: night terrors (he sees explosions when he closes his eyes), shaking hands, anxiety, and an inability to be still (he can't stop tapping his feet or fingers).

    If PTSD is added to the list of injuries that are eligible to receive the purple heart, my PTSD SPC will probably get one. Just the thought of something like that happening makes me angry as all fuck. It's like pissing on the thousands of seriously injured PH recipients that earned their medals the hard way. :mad:

    Anyway - what do you think? :hsugh:
     
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  2. ittech

    ittech "If You're Not Part of the Solution, There's Good OT Supporter

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    should give them something, how about a pink heart?


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    PlutoBHG New Member

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    money to help them yes, purple heart no
     
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    I believe that if you get blown up a few times, and you suffer from severe PTSD then why not get a medal. If you get shot, it heals and thats worth a medal, there are lots of vets with PTSD that never get better, its a lifelong impairment so why isn't it worth a medal. The only problem i see is with people who try to rape the VA and say they have it when they don't. You couldn't diagnose PTSD in country anyways, because according to the DSM IV, PTSD cannot be diagnosed until at least 6 months after the trauma, and out of the situation. Looks like I paid more attention in psych class then i thought i did.
     
  5. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    That's my biggest issue with it. It's probably the largest scam available to the average .mil Joe. Want some attention? Don't want to go out on missions? Shake your arms and look nervous for the bandaid medics.
     
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    Drunk Bastard Audio New Member

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    I say no to the PH...because if they have PTSD, they'll get free help through V.A. hospitals as is. I also don't believe in the no blood, no PH mentaility anymore either...since getting blown up via IED and not sustaining a open wound can still cause more damage to the brain then a single bullet wound in a non-vital area. Hence the PH requirements being changed to allow troops who've been blown up via IED without an open wound to get a PH if they were deemed to have a concussion and put on profile due to their injury.
     
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    PlutoBHG New Member

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    i thought any injury that requires treatment counts...if you are in an IED attack and you get fucked up but you dont bleed you dont qualify?
     
  8. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    agreed.

    On another note, recommendations for Purple Heart are being turned down right and left in my company. Not sure why. The two that I personally know about looked like a slam dunk. One guy had a gash above his left eye from a chunk of asphalt that hit him after an IED took out our Buffalo. the other guy had chunks of copper embedded in his forehead/nasal cavity from an EFP that took out his RG-31. Both PH awards were denied.
     
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    Drunk Bastard Audio New Member

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    no you do qualify..hence me stating the req's for a PH have been changed due to our conflicts in Afghani/Iraq due to the frequent use of IED's as the enemy's preferred choice to harm/kill troops. I was just stating that the old addage "no blood, no PH" is out of date and out of touch with modern warfare.
     
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    sounds like grounds for an legit IG complaint imo.

    Our recent hit via what appeared to be a ball bearing IED, our MRAP took the blast fairly well... but out of the 3 people inside, 2 accepted their profiles due to concussions and the driver denied her profile....now our commander is up in arms on how she can put the 2 who took their profiles in for the PH but can't put the driver in due to her denial of a profile....even though all 3 were deemed to have concussions and all have memory loss from the incident. Tough situation to be in...considering the driver is now facing the consequence of having the trauma that goes along with a concussion from an IED but no benefits that the PH brings with it.
     
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    shit, i imagine there were tons of injuries since way back and they should have always qualified, concussion blasts can fuck you up...anyway sorry i only completely read about half of your last post and skimmed the rest thats why i asked...

    i think PTSD is a whole different ball game though...and i also dont think getting an award is going to help anyone actually sleep at night or get all the pictures out of there head etc etc...if i made it out of there without getting an injury that warranted a PH i would be glad, even if i did get fucked up in the head...
     
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    agreed, but i think the shrink's point of saying awarding PH to victims of PTSD would make it easier for those who normally wouldn't come clean about having PTSD to step forward. I see his point, but handing out a PH isn't the answer....especially when PTSD isn't always due to actual combat incidents...hence fobbits "having" PTSD due to what they've seen on the fob from vehicles coming back all blown up or what not, yet they've never seen the outside of the wire.
     
  13. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Huh. None of our concussions have been put on profile. Fucking bandaid medics :mad:
     
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    yes it is something that needs to be thought about, i can understand getting fucked up from anything, anywhere in the military really...not everyone is already fucked up in the head when they join...but better help and some other incentive to come forward would be better than a PH. i mean if someone is afraid of being looked at as a weak person by coming forward about having problems, i think wearing a PH from it would be an even more embarrassing sign for them to worry about...not to say that its right but if youre worried about people thinking shit like that about you imagine what you would worry about them thinking when you have a PH from it if nothing directly happened to you and there are guys out there who get busted up all the time and dont get one still...........this is just the way im looking at it though, i guess
     
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    it's our bn sop that anyone involved in an IED hit comes off the road for x amount of days til Riva Ridge deems them ready to hit the road again.
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Ah. I remember we did that when we first got here. Somewhere along the way we stopped doing it, though. The first time I was in Sadr City after the cease-fire fell apart, my Husky got blown out from under me. Recovery brought out another Husky and I was back in the saddle again within 4 hours. I could hear, but everything was still muffled (as if I was under water).

    I was angry as all motherfuck during that second run, but I couldn't figure out if my anger was a side-effect of the blast or if I was angry because I was back on point so soon after I got hit. I would have preferred to have my hearing back to normal before I went out again. :hs:

    edit: And we have to be seriously hurt to go to Riva Ridge. We go to our BAS, and if they can't put a large enough bandaid on it, we go to the 769th aid station. If they can't put a bandaid on it, then we go to Riva Ridge. National Guard ftl. :wtc:
     
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    There are different levels of it.. I think that it could be done in certian cases.. But there needs to be some differeation between the sever cases and the I saw stuff cases.. :o
     
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    i think the only reason we get to go right to riva ridge is due to the fact C. Co of our bn makes up the majority of the staff.
     
  19. thekinggovernor

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    I am one of those guys that got a "bloodless" PH, a brain injury from an SBVIED. As far as the boot that sees explosions in his sleep, hey this is Iraq and you dream about the shit that might happen to you. Just because you are a nervous doesn't mean you are mentally unstable, and that is what PTSD is. Its not bad memories or fear of the unknown, it is being unable to function properly because of a mental disorder.

    To echo another post, giving PTSD veterans a PH might look like it would be good PR for the military, "We are really taking care of these guys". In fact it won't. The amount of media attention I had when we came back made me uncomfortable, and I almost had a near incident with a camera man :o. Also I have told the story 11ty billion times, to fellow Marines, family and friends. So for someone who is mentally traumatized by an incident I don't think it would be a good idea to publicize it.

    Your award reads out what happened, so how are they going to write it out "Lcpl. Limp Dick saw some disturbing stuff on 2008, 5, 22" Seriously? That would embarrass the shit of them. The only advantage with giving them a PH, is that the VA puts them in a better care category and automatically diagnose them with PTSD.
     
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    I think a profile means light duty, right? That should have no affect on the award, I was back at it 24 hours later. The award is for the injury not for how long you spend in the rack afterwards.
     
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    correct and i agree...but by turning down a profile...you basically say that your injury will not hinder your ability to perform any duty tasked out to do after that point...which in this case, was false, the driver couldn't sleep at night after that, had memory loss stemming from that, amongst a few other things. From now on, our CDR put out that not only do you immediately report to medical after coming off such an incident, but now if medical suggests you go on profile, you will not turn it down...and i agree w/ said policy. Incidents like Ranger's, where he was blown up, then 4 hours later, tasked to go right back out to perform his duties, even though he wasn't 100% is putting your troops life in danger, even more so then when we're 100% and floating around outside of the wire...at least at 100%, we can hear, see and rationalize/make decisions based on experience/training...where as in his case, he was pissed off, and his hearing was still being effected from the earlier blast. IMO, that's piss poor management of troops and their well-being. I know it's said by a lot of people...but it's mostly just words coming out of mouths...but I value the soldiers that work for/with me, and I wouldn't put them in a situation like that, regardless of manning...i'd fight it til I was fired from my current position...something like that is worth having a letter of reprimand and any other possible career ending avenues BN or higher could pursue...because in my mind...i know i did the right thing.....unfortunately, that's far and few.
     
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  23. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    No, if a person can prove their PTSD is a physical injury that is combat related, for example a brain injury, then they already meet the requirements. To many people claim PTSD that did nothing but sit on the FOB and bitch about the DFAC being out of Powerade.
     
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    Personally i don't believe that being shot or blown up is much of an honor. You don't earn this medal as many people would like to believe. It is of no choice of your own if you are even put in the situation to get one.
     
  25. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    I honestly have never looked at it in that light, but now that you say it I am reminded of good old General Patton.

    No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
    He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
    - General George Patton Jr
     

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