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  1. Jonny Chimpo

    Jonny Chimpo OT Supporter

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    Skill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment:

    Matt Watkinson recently posted this on another forum and his blog. Matt is a seriously talented 23 year old photographer that recently took a vacation to Scotland. Here's a picture of him shooting a Land Rover:

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    Note that the equipment for this shot consists of a well used Hasselblad Xpan camera, a tripod and a roll of film. That's it. No rigs, no lights, no $15k camera and lens combo, no army of assistants, no kraft services truck....

    Here's one of the resulting shots:

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    Matt's tutorial on shooting automotive can be found here:

    http://www.mattwatkinson.com/tutorial/

    Take special note on how much he talks about processing and what equipment you need to get a good shot.

    Creativity, patience, skill and experience all contribute far more to getting a spectacular shot than the brand of equipment you use or how much it cost. The endless debates on Nikon vs. Canon or "I met a pro that only used a D-Rebel so I showed him my 1D" that gets posted in OT:AP is utterly rediculous to anyone that is really serious about pro photography.

    Being a pro is about an attitude and capability, not the contents of your camera bag. Naturally, you need the right tool for the job, but knowing how to use the tools available to you to their fullest extent is far better than having $20k in gear you take snapshots with.

    /debate
     
  2. Blair

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    good post. i like the crop on that land rover shot.
     
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    just read through his tutorial. great suggestions that it never hurts to hear again and again.
     
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    its not a crop :noes:

    xpan's are awesome
     
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    I agree totally though, that was the whole reason for going to Brooks, to learn how to do it right infront of the lens.
     
  6. IntheWorks

    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    I agree. I've always said it's 40% photographer 10% gear 50% marketing. I've seen MANY what I consider sub-par pictures come from very busy "pro's"
     
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    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    oh.. and to be honest... I don't really care for that pic :hs:
     
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    I like this one:

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    The cloud reflections are awesome.
     
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    That's a nice picture, but he still has nice gear.

    Yes skill is more important, but I'm at the point where my gear is starting to let me down and I really need an upgrade.
     
  10. Jonny Chimpo

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    He has others from that set that you may prefer. ;) The point is that a person doesn't need the latest, greatest, most technically advanced DSLR with uber glass to get a really good shot, as some have suggested.

    I'm pretty confident that I could hand Matt's bag to most of the people on OT that measurebate about equipment, and they wouldn't get a shot that good in 1000 years. And that's with only a $1000 discontinued camera kit and a tripod. :rofl:

    Brand/equipment snobbing = :greddy:
     
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    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    I shoot with a 30+ yr old MF camera that I've got $400 into :hs:
     
  12. Blair

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    are xpans the ones that actually move? i was at a huge convention once and the photog used a camera that actually moved to take a picture of all of us. some dood ran from one end of the shot to the other and got in it twice :bowdown:
     
  13. Jonny Chimpo

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    I wasn't referring to you, actually I'm pretty impressed with your work and more so because of what you shoot with.

    There are alot of other people on this forum lately that stroke themselves about either what a great photographer they are or what it takes to be a pro when they really haven't got the slightest clue.

    I think you can probably guess the people I'm talking about but it's not just one or two users. :hs:
     
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    You're thinking of a different camera (I'll look it up when I get home, I know the one you're talking about) but this is an xpan:

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    I shot all last year with this: :noes:


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    Nice, that thing got spot metering?
     
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    yeah, along with ambient and flash metering, its on that thing with the white dome on the table ;)
     
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    i really don't think it's that suprising. I am new to the DSLR world, so i'm guessing a lot of it is practice and knowing the tools- but I have yet to take any shots that rival what i consider my "good" stuff that I've done on film.

    It's definitely in the photographer though- if someone with real talent picked up my setup, i'm sure they'd get phenomenally better results than I can. :hs:
     

  19. I know you're not talking about me becuase I only have a couple 30ds. I'm not the one with a 1dmk2 for still life and auto photos. :o
     
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    wow, that other thread was taken way out of context

    1. is this a nice shot? yes
    2. is it played out? who cares
    3. skill vs. equipment? skill
    4. to capture shots like the guys listed after taken out of context in the other thread? equipment and skill
     
  21. Jonny Chimpo

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    I think you were thinking of either a Noblex camera:

    Noblex:
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    There are some cheap knockoffs of the Noblex too. A Noblex is about $4000. Here's an Xpan on ebay, you can get a better idea what it's like from the pics: http://cgi.ebay.com/Hasselblad-Xpan...ryZ15234QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
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    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    this guy just posted these on FM.
     
  24. I know you're not talking about me because I don't have FM :rofl: ask titties he knows all about that
     
  25. IntheWorks

    IntheWorks windin film.. takin pics Moderator

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    I'm talking about the dude who took the rover shots.
     

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