promiscuity & incest & pedophilia could be healthy?

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  1. JohnJohnJohnson

    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    - pedophilia (sex with prepubescents)
    - bestiality (sex with animals)
    - incest (sex between family members)
    - homosexuality (even though it's mostly accepted as healthy)
    - promiscuity

    All could be healthy.

    I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone who thinks differently from me. And people who agree already will still agree.

    So rather than making an argument, On Topic style, I'd like to show you guys the way I think about this kind of stuff and how exactly I feel that these taboos are socially conditioned rather than innate, vag style. That means I will tell you very briefly the outline of a short story I wrote to reflect my views. If you do not have the attention span for this then please exit the thread. Thanks :)

    The story opens at what would otherwise be "dinner" time in our universe. The family (mom, dad, two brothers) are sitting in front of the television, with everyone jerking everyone else off. (No, it's not porn.) The mom goes down on the sons before bedtime before tucking them in. The father plays with everyone as well, but the sons are 90% heterosexual at present; thus the father does not take as active a role in supplying them with pleasure as the mom does.

    Food and drink (aside from water) are, like sex in our universe, EXTREMELY taboo among family members and they are kept in private - and ONLY in private. (At least by any people who have self-respect. Some exhibitionist, validation-seeking types will give promiscuous hints about their nutritional activities, but those are the "not MY kid" types.)

    If you want flavor or to share food, however, all is not lost! When you grow up, you can sign a long-term contract with a girl whereby you promise to share [flavored] food together (IN PRIVATE). If you choose to do that, you must share flavored food with this girl and this girl alone. For the rest of your life. And no one else. Sharing food with any other people aside from her is considered "suky" [see below for alternate-universe slang definitions], "untraditional," or "socially liberal" in the best case, and "perverted" or "sinful" in the worst case.

    A girl who walks through the mall sipping on a cup of water is equivalent to a hot teenage female walking through the mall in a tight little dress and low-cut halter top showing off a pair of great breasts. (NOT the kind of behavior you would ever want from a potential long-term nutritional partner!)

    Curses (swears), similarly, do not revolve around sex but rather around food. "Suke" is equivalent to "fuck". "Suke" is short for "sucrose," or "sugar", which is an embarrassing nutritional item that has long been shunned by conservative groups because of its back-sliding, intense flavor.

    There are lots of reasons not to be nutritionally promiscuous. For one thing, if you eat certain foods, you get sick! LOTS of propaganda from fundamentalist right-wing groups has been produced to ward people away from promiscuous nutritional activity. Half the country is educated about flavorless-only education (with predictably devastating results, as people go out and eat RAW BEEF, because they don't know better, and don't realize how to distinguish between things that are OK to taste and things that are poisonous).

    The plot line of the story follows one of the sons, who finds out that his parents, against the mainstream norms of society, engage in scandalous nutritional activity. He walks in on them going at it and witnesses first-hand that they feed each other exotic foods (still in private of course). And he later discovers (this is the final straw) that ONE TIME, they even fed his brother some chocolate. The equivalent would be something like discovering that your parents were the FREAKIEST sex maniacs ever... and at one point had touched your brother inappropriately.

    This is basically how I see social conditioning.

    It is utterly arbitrary.

    Sometimes it is tenuously linked to consequences. The idea is that the negative consequences preclude the activity and that that is the only reason for not doing it (you can be poisoned / you can get STD's), when in reality the negative consequences reflect a deeper cause at the root of the prohibition, which is that nutritional / sexual activity ITSELF is considered problematic irregardless of its consequences. For that reason, there is an SDA (sex and dating administration) but the very notion of an FDA (food & drug administration) is too out there to contemplate. For that reason, certain political groups will OPPOSE food-testing and vaccines to common poisons (STD's [as has happened in our country]), because the negative consequences to eating (fucking) are seen as USEFUL because the eating (fucking) IN ITSELF is considered ethically unclean.

    Sometimes, as in the case of the slut-virgin dichotomy, and as in the case of people who think you can only enjoy food [er, sex] once in a blue moon and not with too many strangers and preferably with one person for your entire life, in private (only), and as in the case of the pimp/whore double-standard, it is harmful.
     
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    I'll read all of this later, but I believe all consensual sex to be healthy, however, proof lies in results, and one look at the results of incestual and pedophiliac relations shows that they are generally unhealthy
     
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    God, did you just read Body Ritual Among the Nacirema? You're comparing incomparable things, per usual you have a decent, but horribly underdeveloped concept.
    These social conditions exist as solutions to problems, some of which are obsolete (sex doesn't have to result in pregnancy anymore) and some that still do (people in power taking advantage of subordinates), the situation you suggest (the food thing) does NOT exist as a solution to a problem it is TRUELY arbitrary.
    Social conditions don't drop out of the sky
     
  4. JohnJohnJohnson

    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    no, wtf is that?
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    that is true. in my own mind i just find it easy to see a culture where it's healthy BECAUSE it's the norm.
     
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    I see your point with this thread (and :eek3: to the creative way you got it across), but pedophilia, incest and even bestiality are not good for our species period and I'm uncertain why you included them.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    yeah, i agree..
     
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    Respond to my edit, I added more. Pedophillia was common in MANY ancient cultures, however, no group encourages incest, even animals avoid this. You'd like Bonobos (sp) they are our closest genetic relative, and they fuck like, well, like monkeys all day, they hang out in big dick sucking fuck piles to relieve stress, however, adults don't fuck their kids.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    well

    i think these things are taboo over and above their dangerous consequences

    naturally i was thinking of incest without pregnancy

    i can see pedophilia being healthy, i.e., you can badly feed your kids, and you can badly sex your kids. or you can do either one in a productive way. i'm just saying i can imagine such a society and how it actually would in some ways be an improvement over our own.
     
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    I didn't think of non pregnancy. It isn't really dangerous then I guess. Though I myself still think it is fucked up
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    As do I. But then, I'm from this universe.

    Not true, really, I feel it's fucked up but as u can see don't really think it's NECESSARILY fucked up or intrinsically fucked up. It is fucked up because we have assured it's fucked-up-ness in our society. In our culture, among other things, it's a life-long-crippling violation of trust.
     
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    A really brilliant piece of anthropological satire from the 50s. Your writing resembled a really clumsy attempt to do what he did :o

    http://www.msu.edu/~jdowell/miner.html
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    woah, excuse me, that was NOT my writing. i summed the story up interwebz-style for off topic. i have only presented the ideas and the plotline of the story in this thread.
     
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    I mean conceptually, not stylistically
    Read that, you'll like it
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    oook. cuz the piece i actually wrote was meant to be a work of fiction more than a philosophical argument and to that end it was pretty good :o
     
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    demosnat New Member

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    Stop yammering at me and read that
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    You're really friendly IRL right
     
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    :p I like you enough and you're bright enough that I don't need to engage in needless cordiality.
    I'm also crampy, sorry :wtc:
    But yeah, i'm very friendly, i like people a lot
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    ok that's fine. lunch break's over. i'll post a bit but i'll have to read that piece you linked to later.
     
  20. demosnat

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    I dont mean to sound like beer, but i have a barbed sense of humor, sorry if I was rude to you.
    you'll like it, promise.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    no you and beer sound COMPLETELY different when you're being bitchy.

    :noes:

    i was just teasing, i thought it was funny, no offense taken.
     
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    :wiggle: I've been on a self improvement kick for a little over a year (started with my celibacy) right now i'm focusing on keeping in mind that other people have feelings too, keeping deprecation in check etc.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    that's cool, that is something i should work on as well. i did for a while, i don't know if i made any progress, but it felt nice. still, even if we like each other we shouldn't let that get in the way of being uncivil here in the vag. so, er, the hell with you bitch!
     
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    You definitely come up with some interesting topic JJJ
     
  25. demosnat

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    BITCH IS DAMAGING TO WOMEN YOU CRETIN

    i'm having a nap, enjoy whatever it is you do all day.
     

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