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Discussion in 'That'll Buff Right Out' started by El Slotho, Apr 29, 2004.

  1. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Scott, are you still on dialup? I will link the pics just in case.

    Since I will have to repaint the car in order to get it back to where it was pre-birdshit, I held off starting the usual, seasonal paint "restoration" process until I realized that there was no way that I was going without the car long enough for it to be repainted. Not with the Spring/Summer season coming up so quickly. :sad2:

    So I bought some new supplies to try and minimize the blemishes:

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    The Porter Cable 7336SP, pads and a moderately abrasive "Einszett" polish from Detailer's Paradise. I also have Vanilla Moose and Klasse SG on the way. I have always been a Zaino guy but after last year when I topped the Z with S100 I realized that people here knew a lot more than I on the best products for a car's finish, especially one that needs as much help as mine.

    I started the process by spending the better part of four hours hammering the paint with the PC and Fine Cut Cleaner. While it did nothing to remove the bird crap etched into the clear, it did succeed in subduing them and also removing the usual Winter scratches that I get every year. Now the paint is decently prepped, and I can start thinking about what to do next.

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    My question is this: What next? The Einszett polish? Should I wait for the KlearKote or Klasse ot get here before proceeding? I think I am going to just hit the paint with the Einszett tomorrow as it is a moderately abrasive polish, see where I am, and then proceed with the KlearKote glaze and the Klasse SG Sealant, topped finally with S100.

    Of course, if anyone has any advice to the contrary, I am all ears. I am pretty much foraging for myself trying to figure out the best "system" for my paint now that I have left the easy formality of the 1-2-3-4 etc Zaino setup behind. :sad2:

    Thanks guys.
     
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  2. Don_Rumsfeld

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    I think DACP will do a better job than the compound you used. Give it a shot.
     
  3. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    That's the thing - Save for very specific parts of the hood, roof, and trunk where red berry birdshit etched the clear, the paint is in excellent condition barring the peppering of rock chips in the hood and around the kidney areas. DACP isn't going to touch those compromised areas - I had them inspected by a few area detailers AND body shop owners and the response was the same as Scott's: the only way to get them out is to repaint. :(

    I have used FCC for a long time, and it has always been able to strip the winter weathering of the paint. I worked it into the paint starting with the PC on 3, and as it dried lightly buffed the surface with the machine on 6 which really hammered out a lot of imurities. Much more so than previous years when I would use my little Black and Decker 9" random orbital! Plus the car is 7 years old, so there is really only so many miracles left for it I guess. I will definitely look into the DACP, but I am hesitant to go any nastier than FCC because I always freak out at the thought of burning through the seven year-old clear once and for all. :sad2:

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  5. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    I saw that thread when I was doing some research. Very nice results, man. My paint - well, most of it anyway - isn't anywhere near as bad as what you were working with, and those results by hand are truly impressive.

    I wish DACP could do something for the birdsht stains, but they are sadly outside of its scope.
     
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  6. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    #2 Fine Cut is more aggressive than DACP, so you can use that to further polish the paint. Which Einszett polish? PP or MP? Anyway, I'd polish out the car with something along the lines of Einszett PP or maybe Meguiars Swirl Free, then go to the glaze and wax of your choice.

    Klasse SG will probably not bond properly to Vanilla Moose but S100 over VM looks really good. One sealant I have found to be compatible with VM is Poorboy's EX-P Sealant.
     
  7. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    I am trying to identify the einszett, but the only identifiers I see are "einszett Paint Polish (Lack Politur)." I assume this is PP? Green can. Is this a decent product? Would it be redundant to hit it with the Swirl remover 2.0 to remove any impurities left by the FCC and THEN hit it with the PP before the glaze/wax? I am guessing that it would be....

    I appreciate both your and Don's advice as always, Scott. I have now removed the Klasse from my list, and will wait and use it on someone else's car this season. :big grin:
     
  8. Don_Rumsfeld

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    wetsanding might be an option but 7 year old clear coat that's been polished alot with compound is gonna be thin.......

    But meguiars just came out with some 3000 grit suregrit sanding blocks.
     
  9. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    Paint Polish is PP, similar to Meguiars SFP #82 and #9. Real nice product.
     
  10. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Thanks guys. I will post pics when it is done. If you are still on dialup, Scott, I will be sure to make them small. :)
     
  11. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    I should be on broadband in June. I have to wait for my kids to get here for the summer so someone can be home. Too hard to schedule installation on rainy days only. :sad2:

    www.xat.com has a free image optimizer that flats ownz!
     
  12. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Checking it out now, I was able to keep the below pics under 200K so they aren't too big. :)

    I spent another two hours today using the Einszett polish. I applied it with the PC, let it sit for 45 minutes while I let some Vicoden kick in (root canal this morning..:ugh: ), and then towelled it off.The results were okay, but since I have only been using Zaino for the past three years the results were a bit new to me - While Zaino has never, ever made my car look this wet, and man it looks crazy slick right now, the car does not have the deep, sharp reflections of a nice few coats of Z5. :/ I had a feeling that this would be the tradeoff from lurking on this forum for the past 3 years, and since I am so used to the "hard shell" look of the Z I think this new finish is going to take some getting used to.

    I think tomorrow I am going to hit it with one more applicationof the polish to see if it makes any difference. It's not that I do not like the "wet" look, I think it is just that I am so used to the thing being a big blue mirror that this change is just....different. :big grin:

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  13. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    And a night shot I just took (79 KB)

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  14. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    Your car is really looking good. When you go over it with the Vanilla Moose, you will not only gain additional wetness, but sharper reflections as well. I've been using the white polishing pad with the PC set on 5 with VM. Just stunning results. I would order some Poorboy's EX-P Sealant if you want a real clear and wet look, Wolfgang's pre-cleaner and sealant if you want a somewhat softer but more shimmering look. BTW, that night shot is sick!

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    I used Meguiars #9, Vanilla Moose and EX-P on that Benz.

    This is just EX-P on pearl. I had polished and waxed this Escalade in December and waxed with NXT in early March so the paint was still pristine so I didn't polish before applying EX-P.

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    Notice how clear and wet the finish looks on both black and pearl.
     
  15. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    My car's shine is a direct result of the info I found on this forum, which means it is wholly thanks to you and EMT Firefighter! :bigthumb:

    Those two cars look insane! Black is so nice when it is clean, but the constant attention it demands wouold drive me crazy in New England. I am also really impressed with the Escalade - It's so hard to get good reflections out of white and silver (at least from the friends' BMWs that I have detailed) but that Escalade is something else!

    It looks like I am going to order up some EX-P today. I will apply it after the VM which is my next step as soon as it is delivered. I also have that Klasse SG that is coming but I will reserve that for the friends' cars that I do every summer as it has been advised not to throw it into this mix.

    One last question - After the EX-P, is it advisable to top it with S100? I am hesitant to throw too many products into the mix for fear of potentially clouding the overall look/clarity of the work. If that makes any sense.
     
  16. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Well, since I am basically at a standstill under the VM gets here, I spent two hours today attending to my wheels. Since the lips are fully polished without a clearcoat, they take a real beating unless you are constantly on them every day, and they have to be immediately dried after getting wet or the water spot nightmare begins.

    I started with Soft Scrub to remove all of the embedded dirt and grease that somehow had built up during storage, and I polished them out first with Wenol metal polish (red), two applications per wheel, and then followed up with Blue automotive Wenol to "soften" and increase the lustre of the aluminum. The Wenol is amazing, it really strips the surface of all impurities and stains, and leaves a clean, slick-feeling bare metal behind. After the Wenol I then used another two applications of Blue Magic Aluminum/Mag wheel polish for a last "step," and then smothered the metal with Wenol Hard Wax to try and give some protection to the bare polish.

    The centers were easy - wash, dry, S100. Voila. :big grin:

    I sometimes regret not specifying a clearcoat on the polished outers, but I have always liked the fact that a bare polish can be restored using the right abrasives where a clearcoat cannot. Plus, it can be tough to get clearcoat to stick to a highly polished aluminum surface for more than two years, and I had no desire to see my wheels peeling in year 3/4. :rolleyes:

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  17. RedWuken

    RedWuken Ph34r teh Wuken.

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    nice m3 :bigthumb:
     
  18. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    I'd wait until you use EX-P before you decide to top it. Personally, I like the look so much I haven't topped it.
     
  19. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Thanks man. I just installed a new splitter last night and it added a new accent to the car. It isn't anything too pronounced, just a little addition that gave a new look to the front end.

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    Excellent, thanks for the info Scott. This morning I went to town on a friend's 92 325is, its paint was in absolutely terrible condition after years of neglect - running my fingers over it reminded me of the top of a basketball. The owner had gone over the car with some cleaner wax, but it really didn't do much.

    I blasted it with Fine Cut with the PC set to 6, and really worked the product in well. Next was Swirl Remover 2.0, topped with S100. I couldn't be more pleased with the result:

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    That swirl remover 2.0 really does the trick, I am always surprised at how much gloss it adds to the paint!
     
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    Nice job on the 325!
     
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    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Thnaks man. It didn't stop there - By the end of the day I had attended to a friend's EVO VIII with Swirl Remover 2.0 and the S100 top. As usual the results were very satisfactory. The car is only six months old, but it has seen a very, very hard life in its 35,000 miles.:rofl:

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    And with that, my detailing is done for the weekend. My fat ass is just too damn tired, and it's Drink O'Clock. :big grin:
     
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    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    The Vanilla Moose went on today, applied with a foam pad with the PC set to 5 as recommended by Scoot. The result was as stated: More depth, clarity, and slickness than with just the Einszetts Paint Polish. The car's paint is really starting to pop! Now all that is left for the paint is the EX-P that should be here by the end of the week, and it will be all maintenence for the rest of the season.

    My thoughts on Vanilla Moose are nine enthusiastic thumbs up, the product applied smoothly and wiped readily off by hand after being allowed to sit for about 30 minutes. Not only has my paint never looked this slick and wet, but it also has never felt better than after this current round of products.

    While I still think the Zaino reflections were a bit deeper, the PP/VM combo is quite close and I am more than satisfied by the final result of these two, and cannot wait to see what EX-P will bring to the table.

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  23. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    I must have been out of my mind.

    I don't know what happened in the four hours since I pulled the car into the garage, but the VM must have "set" somehow. When I took the car out tonight in the dusk it was easily as deep and reflective as the old Zaino shine - Even the more dead areas of the car, like the lower rocker panels, were deeeeeeeeeeeeeep, especially in the artificial light of the street lamps, etc.

    I am honestly blown away.
     
  24. Scottwax

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    Your car looks absolutely outstanding! I can hardly wait to see the pics after you finish it off with EX-P.

    I agree that Vanilla Moose is a terrific product and very versitile. Try it on your windows and your wheels too. I find it adds more 'pop' and clarity to even the best prepped paint.
     
  25. El Slotho

    El Slotho Every hour wounds. The last one kills.

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    Interesting. I will have to try VM on the glass to see what it does. My windshield could stand to be replaced but at this point I will try anything! :big grin:

    EX-P. Interesting product. I applied and removed this one by hand as the PC seemed to be removing it (even when set to 1) and I wanted a nice coat to give it time to sit on the paint. I laid it on what I felt was a bit thick, and even still used very little of the enormous bottle. It smelled nice too - as did the Vanilla Moose. I let it sit for an hour and toweled it off with absolutely no effort, and pulled the car outside.

    It was extremely overcast today, so there wasn't any sun to provide decent light for pictures, but here is what I have anyway (again, all small and 56K friendly). My impressions are this - The car has never shined so blue even under a cloudy sky. The color just jumped out at me, and again I laughed at the nice depth of the paint on the lower rocker panels as I never really had it before - not with Zaino at least, but I suspect it has more to do with the PC than anything else.
    In the end, I am glad I switched from Zaino, at least to try something new. The finish looks so crazily different from when I would be through with the Z5/Z2 process - Instead of a deep blue mirror, the paint looks like it is actively flowing over the car! It is insanely liquid and fluid looking, and....well words are failing me to effectively describe the difference and I will stop now rather than sound like some idiot gushing dipshit.

    I guess the only last question I have is on the EX-P - Will multiple coats yield better results? More VM and more EX-P? Right now I only have one coat of both on, but it is hard for me to conceive of the paint looking any better. Again, Scott, you have my most sincere gratitude for playing the role of product and application advisor, and if I am ever in your area, or you find yourself somehow in Boston, dinner and drinks are on me my friend. You rock.

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