A&P professional photographers, ever felt the urge to simply quit?

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  1. SenenCito

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    I am..been trying so damned hard to make a career out of this and it simply isnt taking off..my photography is getting better that's for sure, im busting my ass trying to get noticed on every little thing I do, but no matter what I can't still get some decent gigs..most I get is girls wanting me to shoot them for their portfolio..probably 2 to 3 a month.

    Ive been writing to most magazines and am already used to receiving no answer.

    Am I doing something wrong? cause I could just sell it all and clear most of my debts, this is beyond frustrating.
     
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    Just follow paris hilton around and take upskirt shots and sell for 50,000?
     
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    sorry for the useless post :o
     
  4. SenenCito

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    :rofl: kinda hard doing that being stuck here in the island
     
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    copeland smarter than you

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    Man I like your work, it sounds liek you need to push a bit harder...maybe put some cash into poster for advertising...focus on specific genre's...wedding for example, just to secure a steady income then you can push for more...what about freelancing for a local paper just to subsidize your income and begin networking? What kind of photography are you looking at to make a career of?
     
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    could being trapped on the island be part of it?

    I can't see too big of a demand for hardcore photographers in Puerto Rico.

    Sure, you could take some pics of tourists in front of that old fort or whatever.. but as far as people who actually live there... it doesn't seem like it would be that great. Maybe you should think about going elsewhere :dunno:

    //edit: and by hardcore I mean dedicated. Not pornography :mamoru2:
     
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    Man ive been trying..I cant tell you how many people ive talked to how many cards ive and e-mails sent..hell even use myspace for that, tons of companys are using it for free advertising.
    Type of photography I want is fashion, maybe covering events like concerts, hell ill even do socials (which i hate with a pasion), as long as I don't get stuck shooting weddings im good. No disrespect to wedding photographers, I think there are some amazing ones, especially in here, but I just simply can't see myself doing that constantly.



    There is actually a surprising amount of fashion work being done here, and of course lots and lots of weddings, but since the island is small, it seems like the only photographers that are getting it on good in fashion are mostly those that know the correct people (read people born with money and connections) or older ones that have been in this business for a while.

    I made a promise to myself 6 months ago, that if by my next birthday I hadnt made some serious progress in making a living out of this I would simply quit and sell most of the gear. My birthday is next week.
     
  8. Toasty

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    Consider finding a public relations specialist. Most people think of their profession only to repair celebrity fallouts or something, but I've recently worked with a couple of PR people and you'd be amazed how well connected they are. If it's a good PR person, he/she would have connections with the people who do the magazines & the marketing people in all the advertising agencies.

    Network with some graphic designers & web designers... we're *always* looking for good photography for every project that comes up. If you get in with just a handful of busy designers, they'll keep you working I assure you.
     
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    I dont think ive ever considered a PR person..that does sound like a good idea..im not the best person at talking business or networking late night at expensive events..

    About graphic designers I know a few..guess I need to konw more.
     
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    ah, shit :(

    What if you didn't sell all your gear... but sold most of it except the camera and a lens or two. Then got a full time job somewhere and just shot for fun.

    Might be the best of both worlds :dunno:
     
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    as a hobby ftw
     
  12. Toasty

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    Yup. I hate mixers myself.

    Just the 1 PR person I'm working with now has gotten me some sweet projects with some State departments that I've tried many years in the past to break into and couldn't. Like you said, it's who you know......

    Another thing that's worked for me (I don't know if they have this kind of thing in Puerto Rico), are these business networking groups (http://www.bni.com/) where you get together regularly with other business people. Once you get to know them, they'll almost instinctively give you any contacts they know who are looking for photography.
     
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    that's pretty much what im doing now, I have my fulltime job which has helped me get the gear, but my job is boring dull as hell

    I guess I can try extending my time date..a friend was just telling me that most people take 5 - 10 years to make it in this..id have to be lucky as hell to make it in less.
     
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    this so far is the best advice Ive read..I actually know one PR person who seems to know just about everyone, maybe I can talk to her see what happens.

    heh I wasnt sure if venting here was the best option, but im already glad I did

    thanks
     
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    No prob. Hey if you become a well-known rich photographer...remember the little guy who pushed you to keep it going. :x:
     
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    its a bit harder for you based on location. Find any travel mags and anything else based there that you can and just keep knocking ont he door.

    stock would be a good place to look too, you're surrounded with the best scenery anywhere. start with alamy and work torwads getting into corbis/getty.
     
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    might get in touch with travel agents as many people do destinatio trips and want something covered. we're doing the same but from the opposite viewpoint, we want to travel with them instead of being the local guy that tourists go to
     
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    I don't know, have you tried maybe putting together a protfolio of your work you liked and sought the attention of newspapers? I'm sure if you could get something there, networking with fellow photographers could net you some results...
     
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    Im staying more away from new work from people I don't know, They have expectations and I don't want to take the time to wow someone new.

    Return customers and friends i have 90 times more fun doing because I know they appreciate it and don't have crazy expectations.

    That all and my new job it will be impossible for me to throw any time at using this as a well income business
     
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    hmm I guess you are right on this too..its weird, living here in Puerto Rico with so many beautiful places and I simply don't visit them and very rarely take pictures of the ones I do visit..guess im gonna have to join the group of photographers that do take trips here

    I like this idea..im gonna have to bust out notepad and write all this down.


    I also think im going to change my webpage domain www.senencito.com simply doesnt sound that professional, I was thinking of going with my first and last name Senén Llanos, I see that's how many photographers do it.
     
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    This might not sound like a big deal... but being a web developer and looking at websites all day long, yours doesn't seem like a photographers website. It looks like any joe schmoe's blog who happens to have a gallery up.

    You should re-work your website to really showcase your good work. Get rid of the blog (or at least make it a sub link) and move your gallery to the main page.

    Also, take off anything that could be deemed "unprofessional" and focus on the shots you're eventually trying to sell yourself to do.

    One last thing. I think the domain name is fine :dunno:
     
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    gotcha on all this..I already planned to take away the blog, I simply don't update often enough..give me about a month's time I should have a more serious website up then
     
  23. Toasty

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    Why not use both? Register your name as a domain name, and direct it to your site as well. Your PR friend should be able to help you build your name as a brand & get top-of-mind awareness. You want to get to the point where every time one of those marketing department project managers wants a photograph they remember "Oh, I have this card/I've seen this website for that guy Senén"
     
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    My suggestion is to start looking for an agent who will represent and promote your images through channels unavailable to anyone but them. An agent is not a PR guy. PR guys work for agencies to do the background and promotion for them. Agencies already have the network in place, do all your image and rights management as well as negotiate your deals and if they think they can market you - they will. You will be facing a relative pay cut if you're used to taking home 100% cuts, but in the long run if you have consistently good material in a growing niche market you can do very very well.
     
  25. Toasty

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    Semantics :) A PR person can most certainly work as his agent. Depends on whether the PR person works independantly or as part of a big firm. A good PR person will not only represent you & your work, they'll help you with your marketing text copy, train you how to make better presentations, & keep you informed when is the next opportunity to do an photo exhibit or network with other people.

    The PR agent is not only going to help him with his business, but all the agent's other clients will occasionally need photography work done to promote themselves...and guess who's going to get that business?
     

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