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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    Popular Handgun In Center Of Controversy

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    One of the most popular handguns has become one of the most controversial and potentially dangerous. It's called the Glock.

    You've seen them in movies, on TV and likely in the hands of local police.

    Depending on who you ask, a Glock is either the safest or most dangerous handgun ever made.
    :mamoru:
    Firearms instructor Ryan Sullivan is a fan of the .40 caliber Glock.

    45-year police veteran Ray Hesler is not.

    Six years ago, after qualifying with his Glock .40 at the range, Felicity's chief sat down at his desk with the magazine and ammo in his car.

    "Now everybody says I had to touch the trigger, but I still remember picking if up like this so I could move it over here where we could get it in my desk," said Ray Hesler, Felicity Police Chief. "And that's the results. Right there, came out there, hit the wall, hit the ceiling up there."

    The shot blew off Hesler's middle finger.
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    Nationally, so many officers have accidentally shot themselves with the weapon the condition's called "Glock leg."

    A widely circulated video shows a DEA officer shooting himself with a Glock in front of Florida school kids.

    Glock claims more than 65% of the law enforcement handgun market. Thousands of civilians own them as well.

    "They're very simple," said Dan Lovett, Shooter's Supply. "They're very reliable, and for what they are, they're exceptionally accurate."

    At Shooter's Supply, a third of the handguns sold are Glocks. The military can even purchase a fully automatic version.

    But with all their fans, Glocks have also had lots of problems.

    Police departments including New York, Washington D.C., Louisville and the Indiana State Police have all had issues with Glocks that jam, won't fire, or blow up.

    Another controversial point is you must pull the trigger to disassemble a Glock. If there's a bullet in the chamber, it will fire.

    Pierce Township Police Chief Jim Smith got rid of Glocks in favor of guns which can't fire when the magazine is ejected.

    "I owe it to not only the officers to supply them with the best and safest pistol but also our community," said Col. James Smith, Pierce Township Police Chief. "You want a pistol that's as accurate as can possibly be and you also want to defer, do your very best to eliminate liability."

    No external safety is another issue.

    "People look at this pistol and say there's not an external safety, actually there is," said Lovett. "It's right here on the trigger. You automatically disengage it when you pull the trigger. I can literally break this off before I can make this pistol go bang, unless something presses this. So, if I carry it in a holster that covers the trigger it's not gonna go bang."

    Two holsters were recalled after straps made Glocks fire as officers put them away.

    Glock critics will tell you one of the problems with the Glock is the amount of trigger pull it takes to fire the gun. That's the amount of pressure it takes on the trigger to make it fire. A double action revolver takes 10 or 11 pounds. But in the half cocked stage, it just takes a tap, and that's where the Glock is all the time.

    Glock is now offering a much heavier trigger pull, but most still fire with much less.

    "My personal opinion, it's a training issue," said Ryan Sullivan, firearms instructor. "With proper training and practice of technique, you'll create a certain muscle memory where you won't have accidents. It's not a pretty gun by any means, but there's not a lot to it, it's a simple, accurate firearm."
    Finally someone with some common sense :bowdown:
    But the reality is most law enforcement officers only use their weapon once or twice a year on the range.

    Experts believe that means extensive training should be a serious consideration for anyone who owns one of the most controversial handguns in history.

    In many cases, where police departments have had problems with Glocks, they still use them.

    Most of the recent problems are with .40 and .45 calibers.

    For cops, the company will switch them out with less problematic .9 millimeters. :rofl: where can i get one of these .9mm's?

    Glock is also involved in dozens of private lawsuits. Routinely, any settlements require the other parties to not talk about the agreements they reach.
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    Sounds like these people just dont know what the fuck they are doing around firearms in general.
     
  3. It seems that people just don't pay attention, and then instead of admitting they made a mistake they blame their gun.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    Its always the guns fault
     
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    lol @ cops who train 2 times a year. officers i know train almost every two weeks.
     
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    and :wtf: @ them saying "if theres a bullet in the chamber when disassembling the gun, it will fire"

    THATS WHY YOU FUCKING CLEAR IT SHIT HEADlc
     
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    ElChupacabra we should have fucking shotguns

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    I know plenty of deputies that the only time their guns clear leather is the once-a-year qualifications.
     
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    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I don't know what the hell these people are thinking. Putting my finger on the trigger is like riding without a seatbelt. I can do it but it just feels weird as hell. Unless of course I'm at the range.
     
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    most of the cops in NC only qualify once or twice a year. There was even an article in our newspaper a few weeks back saying how new recruits in our town will have to be trained with 200 rounds of ammo instead of 400 due to budget cuts and generally shitty county commissioners.

    Now, I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of recruits have never touched a gun before. They just have to put 200 rounds through, qualify, then they are let loose on the city streets :hsugh:
     
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    yah, on the UCM campus atleast ALL the officers have prior experience, some of them are downright scary with how good they are. Ill let Hoss tell the story about our armorer/range masters training session once. (hoss, the high-speed-low-drag one)
     
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    Can't those things get through metal detectors easily too? :hsugh:
     
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    I like an external safety too, but I wonder if this is a campaign by DAO pistol makers to take some business from Gaston.
     
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    They have to shoot an expert score I belive, which isn't that impressive but it isn't laughable.
     
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    Negative. Marines on the range only have to qualify Marksman, the pizza box. It isn't hard, but it isn't cool to have a pizza box. Sharpshooter is next, the iron cross. Harder, and probably what most Marines have. Expert is harder still, and not too many people make it, and yes, it is impressive. Especially Distinguished Expert.
     
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    that articles makes me feel sad/angry and amused at the same time

    glock did make a run of 17s or 23s with an external safety

    but that is against what the glock pistol is all about



    what does caliber have to do with anything?
     
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    Yeah

    he went to this carbine school down in SoCal to get some training. they used the same qualifier as the USMC do. he shot ~1500 rounds of .223 in 3 days. the people he was with broke down like this: 2-3 career LAPD swat guys, 1 PJ, a lot of cops, and 1-2 civilians. the drills were intense and he scored a 95/100.

    highest in the group :coold:

    edit: i may have gotten some of this wrong :o
     
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    Eh, only thing you missed is that it wasn't just the USMC qual, it was the Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable) carbine qual, I'm pretty sure...
    Either way, good times!:coold:
     
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    get on AIM man.
     
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    "Now everybody says I had to touch the trigger, but I still remember picking if up like this so I could move it over here where we could get it in my desk," said Ray Hesler, Felicity Police Chief. "And that's the results. Right there, came out there, hit the wall, hit the ceiling up there."

    The shot blew off Hesler's middle finger.

    :rofl::rofl::rofl::drama:
     
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    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    Even if the guy didn't have his finger on the trigger, what the hell was his other hand doing in front of the barrel of a loaded gun. What a putz.
     

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